History of a Lola T492 Sports 2000 chassis? - Page 14

911thillclimber · 22 Jan 2009, 18:32 (Ref:2377009)

Thanks Delta, at least I'm not alone...
2 hours to mount the twin silencers plus twice the MIG welder tangled itself.

This will be worth it won't it?

Steve: Hillclimbing a 911 will be the best fun, and you can drive it there and (hopefully) back

911thillclimber · 23 Jan 2009, 18:14 (Ref:2377760)

This is an odd feeling:

I actually think I've come to the point of this build to remove the engine etc, get the paint brush out and start a final detail and build.

The silencers are in and mounted to the box, the rear body frame is all done, and I can't think of anything else to make from a tube and weld!

This is the very best bit, fitting up for the last time, fresh paint and fresh fasteners. It would be nice to nickel plate some of the parts to break-up some of the blackness of the parts rather than glamour chrome.

The brake custom mounts are being machined for £55 each which I thought good value.

Still a skip load of money to spend....

driftwood · 23 Jan 2009, 18:23 (Ref:2377766)

get the parts nickled be a Magpie

Steve Wilkinson · 26 Jan 2009, 17:08 (Ref:2379722)

The Fidoe/Turner Lola

Now that's the sort of rear wing you need!

911thillclimber · 26 Jan 2009, 17:38 (Ref:2379754)

I KNOW you jest!
Loton Park I think..about 1995?
I did not know that the Claymore Lola was Fideo's! That is a long time ago, and I remember it well.
I thought the fideo car was a T 492?
I'm told that enclosed wheels are not allowed on the hills due to marshal access in the event of an off.

ps Have they sold the Pilbeam?

Graham.

driftwood · 26 Jan 2009, 18:09 (Ref:2379779)

the later lola was enclosed rear wheels Shrike went all enclosed wheels

911thillclimber · 26 Jan 2009, 18:34 (Ref:2379803)

Seems to me to be the ugliest of all body styles, a real inverted bath tub.
Interestingly, the Fidoe Pilbeam (great car) has a similar front wing between the front wings.

Steve Wilkinson · 26 Jan 2009, 19:23 (Ref:2379860)

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Originally Posted by 911thillclimber

I KNOW you jest!
Loton Park I think..about 1995?
I did not know that the Claymore Lola was Fideo's! That is a long time ago, and I remember it well.
I thought the fideo car was a T 492?
I'm told that enclosed wheels are not allowed on the hills due to marshal access in the event of an off.

ps Have they sold the Pilbeam?

Graham.

Graham, in answer to the above:

1) No I am not kidding! You need a big wing to help get all that power down!!!
2) Yes Loton Park in the Mid 90s
3) The car is a Lola T492 - the all-enveloping bodywork was designed by Keith Messer and it ran in F1300 on the circuits prior to paul Turner & Ian Fidoe buying the car as a roller.
4) Can't see how they can ban enclosed bodywork when it is a period design and is the feature of so many of the Sports 2000 cars.
5) Doubt they have sold the Pilbeam considering how much they are asking!

Clive Brown · 26 Jan 2009, 19:31 (Ref:2379865)

Aaargh ! Think ' aerodynamic balance ' , not absolute downforce .

Now if only moveable aerodynamic devices were permitted on the hills - even if only below the wheel centres ....

Clive Brown · 26 Jan 2009, 19:38 (Ref:2379868)

Actually , if moveable aerodynamic devices above the wheel centres are banned , doesn't that raise questions about the legality of the cooling fan on a Porker ? And if it doesn't , if I were graham I'd put in a furking great engine cooling fan that sucked air over the cylinders rather than blew it over them , and pulled the cooling air in from the underside of the car ....

911thillclimber · 26 Jan 2009, 22:20 (Ref:2379993)

Didn't a yanky guy Chapparell (spelling) do that once!?

Clive: in hillclimbing, Sports Libre is taken literally, no rules, just size of the engine to determine where you race.
That is why hillclimbing is such a great sport, minimum rules.(ish)
Any of those mid 70's/80's WW saloons could race then and now.

driftwood · 27 Jan 2009, 00:01 (Ref:2380046)

Jim Hall did the sucker Chapperal and Brabham had the BT48 fan car
christopher do do had the hoovercraft
Dyson the bagless vacuum cleaner!

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Jan 2009, 11:45 (Ref:2380446)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

Jim Hall did the sucker Chapperal and Brabham had the BT48 fan car
christopher do do had the hoovercraft
Dyson the bagless vacuum cleaner!

and Drifty the subtlety of a bull in a china shop!

Seeing as several road cars now have "moveable aerodynamic devises" (i.e. rear wings) then how can this rule be enforced?

driftwood · 27 Jan 2009, 13:40 (Ref:2380561)

easier not to have rules then its no hassle
rules are made to be broken see 1 make series for classic examples of rule bending and cheating !!!

Dan Rear · 27 Jan 2009, 13:46 (Ref:2380568)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

the later lola was enclosed rear wheels Shrike went all enclosed wheels

First enclosed wheel Lola was T590 of 1980. The Aquila came out in late '82 with all wheels spatted, this became the Shrike the next year. Didn't Richard Owen fall out with his partner after making 2 Aquilas, and had to start then project again as a result - hence the Shrikes.

Considering how popular S2000 was from 77-83 ish, it surprised me how few went into Climbing/Sprinting, anyone know why, Steve?? I can only think of the Priaulx Tiga, the Ernie Farncombe, older Tiga, and the Fidoe Lola.

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Jan 2009, 15:01 (Ref:2380633)

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Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Considering how popular S2000 was from 77-83 ish, it surprised me how few went into Climbing/Sprinting, anyone know why, Steve?? I can only think of the Priaulx Tiga, the Ernie Farncombe, older Tiga, and the Fidoe Lola.

The Priaulx Tiga and the Fidoe Lola both dispensed with the iron-block Pinto engine. There have been other S2000 cars in Speed events with one such being run by Laurie Ritchie but it like the Farncombe car retained the Pinto engine. There was a March S2000 that was fitted with the Aero Bonner V8 and run by Leon Bachelier but that fell foul of the noise tests!

911thillclimber · 27 Jan 2009, 15:49 (Ref:2380667)

Sports Libre has always been a bit sparse over recent years, esp over 2 litre.
The Fidoe Pilbeam has been dominant for years and with only 3 drivers and 2 cars most times in the class.
I remember Cristian Mineef's SPA (?)(spelt wrong I know) was quick, and there was the Bonner V6 white car that was awsom when it ran (now for sale).

The Radicals are becoming a common sight now in the classes, and most of the Pinto/Twin Cam Sports 2000 esc cars are eligable for Historic class.

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Jan 2009, 16:27 (Ref:2380714)

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Originally Posted by 911thillclimber

Sports Libre has always been a bit sparse over recent years, esp over 2 litre.
The Fidoe Pilbeam has been dominant for years and with only 3 drivers and 2 cars most times in the class.
I remember Cristian Mineef's SPA (?)(spelt wrong I know) was quick, and there was the Bonner V6 white car that was awsom when it ran (now for sale).

A bit sparse? That is a classic understatement. Then if you couple the dwindling numbers in Clubmans the sports libre classes are dying on their feet!

The Fidoes have been running in the 2 litre class ever since the Hart let go! I understand that the ex-Barrie Lines MP43 is having a German V8 stuffed in the back and should be out next year for a limited airing in Scottish events.

The Mineef car is the SPA and it can be seen regularly at Gurston Down in the hands of Chris Cannell - pity he doesn't travel further afield!

The other superb bit of Sports Libre kit is the Mannic - another car rarely seen 'Up North'.

The March-Bonner is as you say for sale but the asking price is highly inflated compared to what else is on the market.

Dan Rear · 27 Jan 2009, 16:47 (Ref:2380739)

What model is that March, Steve, an ex-S2000 I assume?

Clive Brown · 27 Jan 2009, 18:23 (Ref:2380820)

Chaparral 2J - Can-Am car built by Jim Hall for the 1970 series , which used an auxiliary motor to extract air from below the engine bay to create negative lift .

Brabham BT46B ( get the type numbers right for heaven's sake , Drifters old boy ; after all , you're the man who became a millionaire through his encyclopaedic knowledge of historic racing cars ) - F1 car designed and produced in 1978 by Gordon Murray . Widely considered by F1 cognoscenti to be a genius , it took Murray only eight years to steal Jim Hall's idea .

Sucker - Anyone who believed that the TWR Group A Rovers complied with the regulations .

Clive Brown · 27 Jan 2009, 18:29 (Ref:2380833)

Chaparral 2J - Can-Am car built by Jim Hall for the 1970 series , which used an auxiliary motor to extract air from below the engine bay to create negative lift .

Brabham BT46B ( get the type numbers right for heaven's sake , Drifters old boy ; after all , you're the man who became a millionaire through his encyclopaedic knowledge of historic racing cars ) - F1 car designed and produced in 1978 by Gordon Murray . Widely considered by F1 cognoscenti to be a genius , it took Murray only eight years to steal Jim Hall's idea .

Sucker - Anyone who believed that the TWR Group A Rovers complied with the regulations , or thinks that they are likely to get anything back from the wreckage of GPR . Does the BRDC really have no mechanism whatsoever for expelling Members who by their very actions have brought the Club into disrepute ?

driftwood · 27 Jan 2009, 18:32 (Ref:2380836)

Sucker - Anyone who believed that the TWR Group A Rovers complied with the regulations , or thinks that they are likely to get anything back from the wreckage of GPR . Does the BRDC really have no mechanism whatsoever for expelling Members who by their very actions have brought the Club into disrepute ?i doubt many will have fingers burnt out of GPR - who is on board of GPR and BRDC memebr? Ray b sold out last year !

driftwood · 27 Jan 2009, 18:38 (Ref:2380843)

March Bonner car is march 81 or 84S S2000 car not exactly the best S2000 built

Clive Brown · 27 Jan 2009, 18:43 (Ref:2380849)

.... and when the Falklands situation looked like it was going tits-up , the Fascist ***** conveniently claimed to have been on holiday at the time !

911thillclimber · 27 Jan 2009, 22:37 (Ref:2381019)

Top of the engine!

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