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6 Mar 2005, 06:54 (Ref:1244086)
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2 race engine-rule manipulating allready
Alot on this forum have allready expressed their doubts about the wording of the two-weekend engine rules.
There is the opportunity there for anyone who is outside the points to simply decide not to finnish-so giving themselves a free new engine for the next race. Well it's allready happening....... http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_18790.shtml By the way-max said it couldn't happen,then said it wouldn't happen...then admitted it wouldn't matter because the fia 'will know when anyone is taking advantage of the rules' Yeah thanks max.Another prize plonker of a rule you've forced on f1. |
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6 Mar 2005, 07:17 (Ref:1244094)
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It is hardly surprising seeing BAR do this, I was expecting a lot more to go for it. This is all silly.
Why on earth was the rule was not simply: if your engine is changed, then you lose ten places on the grid in the next event. Well, teh FIA love to make things complicated. I guess this opportunity will be closed off, it just does my head in why on earth it needed to be left open in the first place. Last edited by Dutton; 6 Mar 2005 at 07:19. |
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6 Mar 2005, 07:19 (Ref:1244095)
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I understand BARs tatical move but I still think tis wrong in"the sportmanship " context
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6 Mar 2005, 07:21 (Ref:1244099)
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Sportsmanship in terms of team behaviour simply does not exist. It is about maximising the situation to your benefit.
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6 Mar 2005, 07:24 (Ref:1244101)
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Not a big fan of the rule, but does it really matter?... it's not like they are trying to do something really unsporting... like trying to get the local courts to let them run 2004 aero kit.
 In the end, to take full advantage of this rule, you have to not finish in every second race.... which means you only score every second race and lose to someone that finishes most races. Last edited by alfasud; 6 Mar 2005 at 07:26. Reason: typos again :-) |
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6 Mar 2005, 07:27 (Ref:1244102)
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That's what bugs me about the whole thing-the way the fia sets up some rules so that there is no definite line.
It's like max LIKES to see teams trying to 'cheat' and the sport being bought down even further. The same thing can and does still happen with the 'no team orders' rule which-as everyone knows- is totally unenforceable. I'm sure there are others but i can't at the moment think of them (one of those weekends  lol )
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6 Mar 2005, 07:31 (Ref:1244107)
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Oh by the way-in relation to BAR doing this ...
I'll see if i can find a link to an article i saw. Apparently BAR *really* want a win this year,even if it means giving up other oportunities like points finnishes. I'm not saying this situation is exactly motivated by this but it does help explain why they are possibly jumping at the chance? |
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6 Mar 2005, 07:40 (Ref:1244109)
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Well I think they took the chance this race because they were miles from the points and there was no reason to not come in.
As I say, I am so surprised that no-one else did it. |
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6 Mar 2005, 07:48 (Ref:1244113)
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Oops,look like there is allready at least one other thread on this
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6 Mar 2005, 07:49 (Ref:1244114)
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Oops,look like there is allready at least one other thread on this.Perhaps a merge is in order?
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6 Mar 2005, 10:59 (Ref:1244311)
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6 Mar 2005, 11:01 (Ref:1244315)
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And how does that affect any possible performance clause in JB's contract?
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6 Mar 2005, 11:03 (Ref:1244319)
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6 Mar 2005, 11:15 (Ref:1244334)
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Well, they were still classified finishers.....so it wasn't a DNF as such.
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6 Mar 2005, 11:39 (Ref:1244354)
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Smart thinking really. Just proves that the rules put in place make F1 more boring than ever. ANd I've watched a few races to quantify my statement.
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6 Mar 2005, 11:43 (Ref:1244361)
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They will change the rule or else you're going to have everyone outside the point's stopping before the finish line.
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6 Mar 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1244365)
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Maybe it's an attempt to detract from how hopelessly uncompetitive the team was all weekend. They were never close to the pace and never looked likely to score points; as Brundle mentioned in commentary, the fact that he was worried about the cars behidn him on the grid rather than looking to challenge the Williams and RBR guys was a big clue to this.
If Dutton's idea was implemented, teams would be punished twice for an engine failure in the race, and only once for an engine failure in qualifying, which wouldn't be fair. I can't discuss this before saying that I think the whole concept of long-life engines is flawed, and not having any positive cost cutting effects. The FIA have said they will bring in a definite ruling on this if it starts to happen regularly, so we'll have to hope they do if more teams do it. |
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6 Mar 2005, 13:15 (Ref:1244442)
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another point worth a mention for the 10 place penalty rule is....
if your already on p19 then that would be only a 1 place penalty!!! should there not be a thought that you lose ten grid places i.e. several gaps behind where the normal grid finishes for example row 29 therefore giving a ten place penalty... your thoughts please |
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6 Mar 2005, 13:44 (Ref:1244470)
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A car starting from 29th on the grid would just get a better "run" on the cars in front IMO.
I must admit that up until a few days ago i was interpreting the rule for finishing as being classified in the race and not actually passing the chequered flag.Came as a bit of a shock to find that was not the case! |
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6 Mar 2005, 14:59 (Ref:1244552)
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Its a crazy rule, ironically, we might actually see more engines being used this year it seems, Ferrari used 2 engines in Australia for Michael, rather than 1 in 2004.
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6 Mar 2005, 15:32 (Ref:1244576)
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6 Mar 2005, 15:38 (Ref:1244583)
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Williams it seems will also fit a new engine to Nick's car for Sepang.
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6 Mar 2005, 19:17 (Ref:1244805)
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Well, the reliability issues today seemed to be ok. We had 3 retirements, and only 1 being mecahnical (Albers).
We will just have to see how Malaysia pans out. If there are lots of drivers blowing engines and crawling home, then we know that this rule is like a penalty for the drivers who push hard to get a good results. I will say that Fisi said he found it easy in the press conference. He said the car was good even in the closing stages and, even with that bit of understeer, he was still comfortable driving it. The tyres were good too he said. Barricello and Alonso had similiar opinions. If Fisi, Coulthard, Raikkonen...etc (all drivers who were pushing hard) fail to finish the next race because of their engines then we can start thinking but if their cars are running fine then we really shouldnt start complaining. The strategy in Malaysia will be a tough call. Drivers at the back might be pushing hard and drivers who were pushing hard in Australia will need to cool down. Maybe not. Time will tell |
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