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16 Jul 2003, 18:38 (Ref:663128)
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If this is Wed., am I in Oschersleben?
I still haven't been able to find anything as far as official entry lists, etc., for this Sunday's (July 20) FIA-SCC race at Oschersleben
There were some questions as far as who might or might not show up, or if they would even haveenough cars to amke a race worth running... Has Anyone Seen Anything??? Please post it, if possible... Thanks! |
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16 Jul 2003, 19:26 (Ref:663209)
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Why are they not publishing this stuff?
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16 Jul 2003, 19:35 (Ref:663218)
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I wish I knew....
The Racing for Holland site has a general story on the weekend, but has no entries listed... web searches turn up nothing.... It has become "The Mystery Racing Series" Now if it was a series for 3-wheeled ice cream carts, fine...nobody cares about that...but these teams can compete at Le mans for crying out loud! It is absurd.... If anyone has seen anything on dailysportscar or another site, please post it so that we will know who has... and has not...shown up to run... Thanks! |
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16 Jul 2003, 19:44 (Ref:663230)
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I did locate a page, but I can't confirm that this is the actual entry list...
Entry List Class Nr Team Car Driver Born (in) Nation SR1 1 Racing for Holland Dome S101 - Judd Jan Lammers 02.06.1956 (Zandvoort) Netherlands SR1 1 Racing for Holland Dome S101 - Judd John Bosch Netherlands SR1 2 Racing for Holland Dome S101 - Judd Beppe Gabbiani 02.01.1957 Italy SR1 2 Racing for Holland Dome S101 - Judd Felipe Ortiz Switzerland SR1 3 GLV Racing Ferrari 333SP Giovanni Lavaggi 18.02.1958 (Augusta) Italy SR1 3 GLV Racing Ferrari 333SP Xavier Pompidu 27.06.1972 (Medan) France SR1 5 RN Motorsports DBA4 03S - Zytek John Nielsen 07.02.1956 Denmark SR1 5 RN Motorsports DBA4 03S - Zytek Hayanari Shimoda 16.07.1984 (Tokyo) Japan SR1 6 Taurus Sports Racing Lola B2K/10B - Judd Christian Vann Great Britain SR1 6 Taurus Sports Racing Lola B2K/10B - Judd Justin Keen Great Britain SR1 6 Taurus Sports Racing Lola B2K/10B - Judd Phil Andrews 20.12.1966 Great Britain SR1 8 Durango 01 - Judd Michele Rugolo 31.08.1982 (Montebelluna) Italy SR1 8 Durango 01 - Judd Leonardo Maddalena Italy SR1 8 Durango 01 - Judd Fulvio Cavicchi 14.01.1980 (Trieste) Italy SR1 11 Goddard Racing Reynard Earl Goddard 17.12.1979 Southafrica SR1 11 Goddard Racing Reynard Steve Arnold 10.03.1971 Great Britain SR1 12 Promec Engineering PJ119 - Peugeot Gianfranco Trombetti Italy SR1 12 Promec Engineering PJ119 - Peugeot Alex Caffi 18.03.1964 Italy SR1 16 Pescarolo Sport Courage C60 Evo - Peugeot Jean-Christophe Bouillon 06.02.1971 (Saint Brieuc) France SR1 16 Pescarolo Sport Courage C60 Evo - Peugeot Stephane Sarrazin 02.11.1974 (Ales) France SR1 16 Pescarolo Sport Courage C60 Evo - Peugeot Frank Lagorce 01.09.1968 (Hay les Roses) France SR1 21 Team Ascari Ascari A410 - Judd Werner Lupberger 15.12.1975 (Pretoria) Southafrica SR1 21 Team Ascari Ascari A410 - Judd Klaas Zwart Netherlands SR1 21 Team Ascari Ascari A410 - Judd Charles Hall 13.11.1979 (Sheffield) Great Britain SR1 22 R & M Riley&Scott - Judd Mauro Baldi 31.01.1954 Italy SR1 22 R & M Riley&Scott - Judd Franco Francioni Italy SR1 22 R & M Riley&Scott - Judd Eizo Mazza Italy SR2 52 Lucchini Engineering Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Piergiuseppe Peroni 19.05.1954 Italy SR2 52 Lucchini Engineering Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Mirko Savoldi Italy SR2 54 SCI Racing Team Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Ranieri Randaccio Italy SR2 54 SCI Racing Team Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Paul Daniels Great Britain SR2 54 SCI Racing Team Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Sebastiani Francisci Italy SR1 55 GP Racing Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Massimo Saccomanno 14.05.1964 Italy SR2 55 GP Racing Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Gianni Collini 18.10.1950 (Prato) Italy SR2 55 GP Racing Lucchini - Alfa Romeo Fabio Mancini 06.08.1958 (Empoli) Italy SR2 61 Team Jota Pilbeam MP84 - Nissan John Stack Great Britain SR2 61 Team Jota Pilbeam MP84 - Nissan Sam Hignett 30.01.1979 Great Britain SR2 99 PiR Competition Pilbeam MP84 - Peugeot Pierre Bruneau France SR2 99 PiR Competition Pilbeam MP84 - Peugeot Marc Rostan It looks like the list from Monza, but it might be for this weekend... I believe the site is www.sportsracingmag.de I'll double-check it and come back... |
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16 Jul 2003, 19:52 (Ref:663235)
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Sorry...
It is www.speedsportmag.de I went to the home page and clicked on the event, which sent me to an index that gave me this list.... |
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16 Jul 2003, 20:30 (Ref:663269)
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I haven't been following the FIA-SCC, but i get the feeling it's going down the pan a bit, is this true?
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16 Jul 2003, 20:33 (Ref:663271)
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This list is such a jumble....
From what I have gathered: SR1's 2 RfH Domes (but we got a report that only one would run earlier) 2 Pescarolo Courage 1 GLV Ferrari 1 Taurus Sports Lola 1. Promec 1 Durango 1 DBA Zytek 1. Team Ascari 1 R&M Chassis SR2 1 - Lucchinis racing Alfas 1.- SCI racing Lucchini Alfa 1 - GP racing Lucchini Alfa 1 - Team Jota Pilbeam Nissan 1. PiR Competition Pilbeam Peugeot 11 SR1's 5 SR2's 16 cars... Now...how accurate is this list???? |
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16 Jul 2003, 20:35 (Ref:663276)
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To Pirenzo:
The common thought is that this will be the last year, since Mr. ratel (who runs it right now) was on board as part of the LM Tournament announcement.... Teams will run in the LMES next year.... |
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16 Jul 2003, 23:57 (Ref:663438)
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I think I won't be able to write you from Germany, but, if I will find an Internet connection, I will write you the real entry list and some thought/fact during the (short) racing weekend... See you! Fulvio PS: I just avoid comments about the other races that will took place in Oschersleben this Sunday... How can we hope to have people for the race offering a show so poor 
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17 Jul 2003, 02:40 (Ref:663511)
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Think Beatles, White Album, Revolution 9
Number nine, number nine, number nine, number nine... |
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17 Jul 2003, 08:16 (Ref:663643)
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Not sure what the FIA thinks it is doing here; I have heard of series that weren't promoted but this series is being un-promoted.
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17 Jul 2003, 09:46 (Ref:663683)
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The whole thing is a total farce, and I have enormous sympathy for the competitors- it can't be easy to try and tie up sponsorship to run in a series that the organisers seem to want to deny actually exists..... (no wonder there are so few cars out there)
There is a news item regarding Oschersleben on Dailysportscar though- although even they say they're struggling to find news. The bit they've got is a good one though- the DBA should be there, although without John Nielsen, who's racing touring cars at home in Denmark this weekend- he's apparently lined up a fairly useful stand-in - Andy Wallace... 
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17 Jul 2003, 13:20 (Ref:663870)
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I'll be honest with you, guys....
I've never used the source listed above www.speedsportmag.de until yesterday... the entry list posted by them looks exactly like the list that was set for Monza...but I got it by clicking on the name of the venue at that site, so I'm hoping it is accurate... However, someone reported in the "Oschersleben -- Status" thread that they read in a British publication that RfH was only going to run one car....this lists two cars for them... another note that raises questions: One team that was at Monza (in one of the Monza race threads) said that they were only racing at Donnington and Spa and would skip Oschersleben, yet this list has exactly the same field that the original Monza list had... I cannot verify its accuracy....but 16 cars would be very nice... We know that Fulvio and Durango will be thee, and the Jan Lammers site says they will be there (but did not say how many cars - one or two - would be there....) I guess we'll find out Monday morning...after they have raced....provided someone actually releases results.... But we can always find out from Fulvio from his account of the event from his perspective (He's our man!!!!....I'm an instant Durango fan!!!).... If you do see any list posted from an independent source that you deem as reliable, please post it... I cannot verify or vouch for how good the list above actually is... |
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17 Jul 2003, 18:59 (Ref:664217)
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I've been at Durango this morning [they booked me the flight.. I went there to take the papers
 ], and asked about the entry list....The guy with the list was already in travel, so I don't know exactly.. but talking with my Team Manager he told me that we're going to have a strong field at Oschersleben... I don't know if it's true or not.. but I strongly hope it is!!  The only thing I don't understand is why as many cars at Oschersleben as in Monza? In my opinion the second german race of the year would have been [togheter with Nogaro] the fall out of the year... But, surely, it's better more than less cars, obviously  Good talks until my return! [I have the plane tomorrow at 8.10 am... so I have to get up early - you know... students' life doesn't teach you to get up every day at 7  ]
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17 Jul 2003, 19:04 (Ref:664229)
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This list looks like the original list at Monza, before some did not show for whatever reasons...
Guess we'll know sometime before Sunday.... |
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18 Jul 2003, 14:04 (Ref:664948)
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number nine, number nine, number nine...
ah well, there is next year's Le Mans series to look forward to. Monza then ought to be an spectacular start-up event of the season (unless SEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBRRRIIIIINNNGGG! should kick it off). Shame they won't be using the banking - NOT!!! I've not been to Monza (yet) but I hear the banking is only two cars wide, extremely bumpy - and suicidal. I would have loved to have been there in '69, with the 312Ps and 907/908s. Instead of just a euro-based series, why not a world series? (oops time to start a new thread) |
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18 Jul 2003, 14:17 (Ref:664960)
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Does that Banking still exist????
Months ago, someone was talking about tracks in Europe where the "Tournament" should run, and it was either Monza or some other European teack that had a banked curve that someone said has not been udes in decades and that trees were growing up through the surface... Someone please refresh my memory and share with us which track that actually was.... |
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18 Jul 2003, 14:43 (Ref:664992)
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http://www.research-racing.de/monza03-1.htm
I've been told that the banking will survive - there was talk of tearing it down to make way for a telescope and observatory to house it. |
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18 Jul 2003, 14:47 (Ref:664995)
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Who in Hell wants to look at stars in the sky when you could watch some of the fastest race cars on the planet scream aound the Monza circuit and that legendar banked curve????
Some peole need to get their priorities straight.... ;-) |
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18 Jul 2003, 16:28 (Ref:665060)
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The banking is about three cars wide and is totally intact.
It's a concrete paved oval, with a concave driving surface. I'd say the banking is about 45 degrees at its highest Unfortunately, there are weeds and stuff growing up through the surface, and basically the whole thing is in a bit of a mess, but they'd certainly be doing over 240mph round that |
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