Motorsport and the Coronavirus

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Hmm. I guess that's it for 2020. I think I read earlier today that the pubs have had their licences for takeaway services extended to March 2021. Suggests we aren't getting back to any kind of normal soon.

Oh dear god!!😵

[midgetman]

I have to admit I thought it was March 2022 but can't find any reference.

With furlough extended until March 2021 there clearly isn't going to be any change soon.

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[john ruston]

Unfortunately it’s the death rate that can be taken as a guide as there are obviously more cases as the T&T although not very clever is better than in March.
The only good news is more people are surviving
Notice lots of people in the last week who should know tell us that there will be a third wave In late winter early spring
Keep your fingers crossed for a vaccine as soon as possible,
As far as us lot on here. Don’t get to excited about any proposed dates in first half of next year.

[S griffin]

We need to make sure something is in place for the future to get through this. At the end of the day people have had the virus and survived, I guess that explains why more cases are being reported. It of course depends who you are whether you can get through it
I just hope things get better next year, it's about time we started to return to normal. If only the vaccine comes out before the end of the year, if not then, then early next year. That is our best hope.
Don't worry, it will get better. You might have to wait a bit, but every precaution needs to be taken. Hopefully come the second half of next year things will have picked and as much racing as possible will be back

[andy97]

Originally Posted by S griffin

We need to make sure something is in place for the future to get through this. At the end of the day people have had the virus and survived, I guess that explains why more cases are being reported. It of course depends who you are whether you can get through it

I have no doubt that people do and will survive it but people that could survive (and survive “normal” illnesses) won’t if the NHS is overwhelmed.

I do know plenty of people (inc medical professionals) who think that we should let COVID run its course and carry on life as normal, but I guess that isn’t really an option if there are large queues for bed spaces/ treatment, and people are dying from otherwise recoverable conditions.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by S griffin

We need to make sure something is in place for the future to get through this. At the end of the day people have had the virus and survived, I guess that explains why more cases are being reported. It of course depends who you are whether you can get through it
I just hope things get better next year, it's about time we started to return to normal. If only the vaccine comes out before the end of the year, if not then, then early next year. That is our best hope.
Don't worry, it will get better. You might have to wait a bit, but every precaution needs to be taken. Hopefully come the second half of next year things will have picked and as much racing as possible will be back

Originally Posted by andy97

I have no doubt that people do and will survive it but people that could survive (and survive “normal” illnesses) won’t if the NHS is overwhelmed.

I do know plenty of people (inc medical professionals) who think that we should let COVID run its course and carry on life as normal, but I guess that isn’t really an option if there are large queues for bed spaces/ treatment, and people are dying from otherwise recoverable conditions.

I do really agree with both of you here. My feelings are that we are going to be stuck with this horrible virus for quite a while unfortunately, but we (literally) cannot afford to just keep hiding from it until it goes away. I feel that we need to adapt our behaviours & activities so that we are able to carry on with our lives as close to 'normal' as we can. If or when a successful vaccine becomes available (I have my annual 'flu jab booked for next week) then we can maybe relax things a bit more. It is all just a question of balance really.
I am also usually someone who is not very political and likes to believe what I am told by the authorities. I appreciate that it is easy to criticise the measures that have been put in place and with the benefit of hindsight saying that things should have been done sooner/later etc. but I am also starting to have my head & opinions turned by the information being put forward by people who are well educated and (more importantly) very experienced in the field of respiratory diseases & problems who are saying that things are nowhere near as bad as we are being led to believe when compared to years gone by...

[andy97]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I do really agree with both of you here. My feelings are that we are going to be stuck with this horrible virus for quite a while unfortunately, but we (literally) cannot afford to just keep hiding from it until it goes away. I feel that we need to adapt our behaviours & activities so that we are able to carry on with our lives as close to 'normal' as we can.

.......I am also starting to have my head & opinions turned by the information being put forward by people who are well educated and (more importantly) very experienced in the field of respiratory diseases & problems who are saying that things are nowhere near as bad as we are being led to believe when compared to years gone by...

On your first point, I think that was the point of the “Tier system”.
On your second point, I am not sure I have seen anything or anybody really saying that “it’s not as bad as we are being lead to believe”

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by andy97

On your second point, I am not sure I have seen anything or anybody really saying that “it’s not as bad as we are being lead to believe”

You've led a very sheltered life, recently, then I've heard plenty of people from the "it's only a bit if flu" or "its all exaggerated to control us" school of thought - only last week a lady of a certain age was telling me - as she waited for her husband to collect his Daimler SP250 from (oddly) an Alfa specialist - that she had been a nurse and she was sure it wasn't as we were being told, and that there weren't as many deaths as from flu (which is wrong). When I opined that deaths were lessening as medical techniques improved, but that the main concern was the increased hospitalisation and ICU use she rubbished that too - telling me that she knew another nurse who told her about someone who was only in ICU for two days and then he was fine....as if that proved anything. I just told her that I'd rather heed the advice form my Godson who spent weeks as a Covid ICU doctor in the first wave, sleeping in a motorhome on the hospital car park so as not to put his newborn daughter and the rest of the family at risk, and how relieved he'd been to get back to the relatively relaxed world of general A&E as the epidemic waned........

[Lancsbreaker]

On a separate but on topic point.....I've seen some mutterings that if we can get racing again soon, how are those of us who need them going to be able to get our medicals? Getting a face-to-face with a GP is nigh on impossible even with a real illness, getting one, even a paid one, for a recreational purpose might be very difficult.



Some suggestion that MotorsportUK should consider a waiver for this (next) year. Any thoughts?

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

You've led a very sheltered life, recently, then I've heard plenty of people from the "it's only a bit if flu" or "its all exaggerated to control us" school of thought - only last week a lady of a certain age was telling me - as she waited for her husband to collect his Daimler SP250 from (oddly) an Alfa specialist - that she had been a nurse and she was sure it wasn't as we were being told, and that there weren't as many deaths as from flu (which is wrong). When I opined that deaths were lessening as medical techniques improved, but that the main concern was the increased hospitalisation and ICU use she rubbished that too - telling me that she knew another nurse who told her about someone who was only in ICU for two days and then he was fine....as if that proved anything. I just told her that I'd rather heed the advice form my Godson who spent weeks as a Covid ICU doctor in the first wave, sleeping in a motorhome on the hospital car park so as not to put his newborn daughter and the rest of the family at risk, and how relieved he'd been to get back to the relatively relaxed world of general A&E as the epidemic waned........

I get that, Richard, and I do hear similar, a long with the “conspiracy theories”, but I meant that I am not hearing a wave of experts telling us that it’s not that bad, countering the government and the SAGE view.

[relativtortoise]

Originally Posted by S griffin

. If only the vaccine comes out before the end of the year, if not then, then early next year. That is our best hope.

A hurriedly created (on the back of massive financial reward being the first to market) and largely untested vaccine.

Not a bloody chance

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by andy97

On your first point, I think that was the point of the “Tier system”.
On your second point, I am not sure I have seen anything or anybody really saying that “it’s not as bad as we are being lead to believe”

Can I suggest you listen to the "Planet Normal" Podcast they have some compelling information from front line medics suggesting that the NHS is not exactly overwhelmed currently? The main reason being that we are not seeing the annual impact of Flu. Not suggesting this thing is benign but questioning the numbers being used.

As to a waiver for medicals I suspect if it were to be implemented those of us of a "historic" age may well be excluded.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Can I suggest you listen to the "Planet Normal" Podcast they have some compelling information from front line medics suggesting that the NHS is not exactly overwhelmed currently? The main reason being that we are not seeing the annual impact of Flu. Not suggesting this thing is benign but questioning the numbers being used.



As to a waiver for medicals I suspect if it were to be implemented those of us of a "historic" age may well be excluded.

I presume that masks and social distancing have a positive effect on flu, as well. It's not that flu has been usurped by Covid, just that we're taking more care of ourselves.

I have no truck with the theory that because rates are staying low we shouldn't have locked down - surely it's *because* we locked down rates are low?

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[S griffin]

Of course masks and social distancing have helped. Maybe some see it as overkill, but whether that’s true or not, we’re seeing less of the flu season. Hopefully this doesn’t become the norm though, we can’t go on like this forever. It’s not worth it

Whether this lockdown is necessary or not remains to be seen. Things aren’t running smoothly as they should, so it’s a bit of a headache for people. If it saves lives it’s worth it, but the economy ain’t getting any better suffice to say

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I presume that masks and social distancing have a positive effect on flu, as well. It's not that flu has been usurped by Covid, just that we're taking more care of ourselves.

Yup that is of course a given.

Originally Posted by midgetman

I have no truck with the theory that because rates are staying low we shouldn't have locked down - surely it's *because* we locked down rates are low?

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This is where things get difficult. The tier system was working, a full locking is disputable according to some. Likewise the advances in knowledge have helped, but even the NHS who spun the story to suit their narrative, said 22 hospitals were at high occupancy. That's around 15% of the total available ICU beds.

I can tell you that Stoke Mandeville is almost deserted.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Can I suggest you listen to the "Planet Normal" Podcast they have some compelling information from front line medics suggesting that the NHS is not exactly overwhelmed currently? The main reason being that we are not seeing the annual impact of Flu. Not suggesting this thing is benign but questioning the numbers being used.
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Thanks, Peter, I will have a listen.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

This is where things get difficult. The tier system was working, a full locking is disputable according to some. Likewise the advances in knowledge have helped, but even the NHS who spun the story to suit their narrative, said 22 hospitals were at high occupancy. That's around 15% of the total available ICU beds.

I can tell you that Stoke Mandeville is almost deserted.

I didn't necessarily mean *this* lockdown. I think the first one had to happen, and the Tier System wasn't given enough chance to work. I think this one was too much, too soon. There appear to be flattenings in several curves, and it can't yet be due to Electric Avenue.

Gradually mask wearing is becoming more prevalent. At the Whilton Mill test on Wednesday it was pretty much 100% usage away from team work areas.

[delta]

Listening to the news ,things are looking positive. Boris has just said the cavery are coming over the hill to rescue us.:

[Peter Mallett]

That'll be two roast beef and a return for additional Yorkshire puddings then.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I didn't necessarily mean *this* lockdown.

Well you should make yourself more clear.

Originally Posted by midgetman

I think the first one had to happen, and the Tier System wasn't given enough chance to work. I think this one was too much, too soon. There appear to be flattenings in several curves, and it can't yet be due to Electric Avenue.

Gradually mask wearing is becoming more prevalent. At the Whilton Mill test on Wednesday it was pretty much 100% usage away from team work areas.

I think this is being borne out by Sweden where it seems they are now locking down areas and the locals are not complying.

[S griffin]

It’s very confusing not knowing what is going on. Some countries have taken a risk on the virus, but unfortunately it hasn’t quite worked out. I guess a contingency plan would have fixed all of this. As it is we’re stuck in this situation, while other countries seem to have things kept under control.

Anyway great news about the vaccine breakthrough

[John Turner]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

That'll be two roast beef and a return for additional Yorkshire puddings then.

That would be a carvery then, Peter. I thought a cavery might have something to do with guinea pigs as I believe they are known as cavies? Iain's spelling continues to entertain. Better cavalry than the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse!

[delta]

Good to know you are watching over us John. Mike would of corrected me.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by John Turner

That would be a carvery then, Peter. I thought a cavery might have something to do with guinea pigs as I believe they are known as cavies? Iain's spelling continues to entertain. Better cavalry than the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse!

Cavies? Thought that was a Vauxhall Cavalier? 😅

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

On a separate but on topic point.....I've seen some mutterings that if we can get racing again soon, how are those of us who need them going to be able to get our medicals? Getting a face-to-face with a GP is nigh on impossible even with a real illness, getting one, even a paid one, for a recreational purpose might be very difficult.



Some suggestion that MotorsportUK should consider a waiver for this (next) year. Any thoughts?

Didn't I read in last year's changes that medicals for 70+ was now every 2 years?
Or is that just the ECG for internationals?