Le Mans Series 2008 - Page 11

brielga · 7 Dec 2007, 16:07 (Ref:2083724)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

According www.autosport.nl Jan Lammers is close to a contract with Lista Horag Racing to drive in LMS and Sebring. Besides LMS he will drive a Lambo in German ADAC GT Masters, a car in the Dutch BMW 130i Cup and he has some offers from teams to drive at Le Mans.

So this means the end of Racing for Holland in endurance racing.

Horag? Jan mentioned it was LMP1 or nothing... well, I guess reality hurts...

**FIRE** · 7 Dec 2007, 18:15 (Ref:2083820)

It's a shame RfH will not return but on the other hand they were not very competative (except at LM) and not able to raise the money for a full season the last few years. So better quit the project instead of dropping down the grid. Marketing was not their best point.

brielga · 7 Dec 2007, 19:15 (Ref:2083855)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Marketing was not their best point.

Could not agree more. Jan appearing in the Haarlems Dagblad stating he was 1.5 million in red was not the best move. On top of that they could only race thanks to David Hart's financial support, the car was ok but other teams have more resources, thanks to sponsorship and proper commercial activities. RfH was unstructured and clueless in that area in 2007. A real shame. I hope Jan concentrates in driving at Horag and shows what he is capable of on the Spyder...

Paddy_NL · 8 Dec 2007, 00:42 (Ref:2084049)

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Originally Posted by Stranger

You mean Van Merksteijn received the Porsche

Stranger knows everything!

Anyway, it is indeed a sad day for Racing for Holland. Maybe Jan can do more racing now, instead of having to worry running a team too. Best of luck & support to him, even though he's not racing what he really wants. Hope to see him at Sebring or some European LMS race.
Fingers crossed for a good seat at the LM24 though!

ger80 · 8 Dec 2007, 17:13 (Ref:2084414)

No Racing for Holland anymore in LMS and Le Mans, but I hope at least Drinking for Holland stays in both ....

Paddy_NL · 9 Dec 2007, 13:54 (Ref:2084846)

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Originally Posted by ger80

I hope at least Drinking for Holland stays in both ....

Absolutely, and as Jan will be driving LMS and at Sebring we have reason enough to wave the flags and show support. We will most definitely be present at Sebring, Spa, Nürburgring, Silverstone and Road Atlanta - and of course the Big One, our first anniversary at Le Mans for 2008. See you there!

Robert RS · 9 Dec 2007, 20:03 (Ref:2085029)

Hopefully we can take over the honours in defending the dutch flag as a privateer entry, and we look forward to racing against Jan and the guys from Horag next year.

Regards,

Robert
van Merksteijn Motorsport

**Dani Filth** · 9 Dec 2007, 23:04 (Ref:2085162)

Drinking for Holland must survive .. hell . i'll even drink for Holland

Fogelhund · 10 Dec 2007, 02:46 (Ref:2085222)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

Drinking for Holland must survive .. hell . i'll even drink for Holland

Or practically anyone else for that matter.

I think I'll join you.

HORNDAWG · 10 Dec 2007, 03:28 (Ref:2085231)

Heck, I've been known to drink a Grolsch or two from time to time.

L.P.

Mal · 10 Dec 2007, 07:42 (Ref:2085285)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

Drinking for Holland must survive .. hell . i'll even drink for Holland

I dont think their is any doubt there - roll on Friday night at Le Mans

Paddy_NL · 10 Dec 2007, 08:02 (Ref:2085296)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert RS

Hopefully we can take over the honours in defending the dutch flag as a privateer entry, and we look forward to racing against Jan and the guys from Horag next year.

Regards,

Robert
van Merksteijn Motorsport

Robert,

Without a doubt I can say we shall wave our flags and raise our voices and drinks with pride for you and your team too! It would be nice to be in touch with you guys, like we have been with Spyker (hospitality visits) and RfH (official sponsor, workshop visits) over the last few years. Just keep looking out for those orange smoke bombs and large Dutch flags!

But how about your driver lineup? Ideal combination to me would be Lammers / Bleekemolen / Vergers (for Le Mans), but I understood you're looking for pay drivers this year (?)

Hope to see you at some circuit, Spa LMS will be my first in Europe (after Sebring).
Cheers, paddy@drinkingforholland.nl

Paddy_NL · 10 Dec 2007, 08:14 (Ref:2085300)

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Originally Posted by Mal

I dont think their is any doubt there - roll on Friday night at Le Mans

Absolutely Mal! I have worked out the stage for this year at Le Mans, and it's gonne look great

Next 45 days or so will be nail-biting for us, will the ACO give us our regular spot at Maison Blanche??

The Badger · 10 Dec 2007, 08:19 (Ref:2085304)

Ive been drinking for Holland for years ..... Im looking forward to the friday night this year Paddy .

Is there a theme yet or whats the story ?

The Badger · 10 Dec 2007, 08:25 (Ref:2085311)

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Originally Posted by brielga

I hope Jan concentrates in driving at Horag and shows what he is capable of on the Spyder...

Has he ever done anything else !!! That man is one of the greatest imo . His performance's in the Dome in the early 90's were just brilliant . He seems to get quicker as he gets older .

Im just happy not to see him in a F430 Mr.brielga !!!

I find it strange that he is mentioned with Horag though . What happened to Horag regulars , Theys-Leinhard-Van de Poele ?

It wouldnt surprise me to see Horag race the 2nd chassis if the money can be found , why not ?

Paddy_NL · 10 Dec 2007, 08:38 (Ref:2085318)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Is there a theme yet or whats the story ?

Majority of our group has chosen "Just Drink It"

The Badger · 10 Dec 2007, 09:01 (Ref:2085331)

Hey Paddy ..... I will have to make you my "VSOP" Gumbay smash !!!

The Badger · 10 Dec 2007, 09:03 (Ref:2085332)

Oh yeah Mr.brielga ..... I suppose you noticed that Lammers will be driving a PORSCHE then !!!

He hee .......................

Speed-King · 10 Dec 2007, 14:19 (Ref:2085574)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

I find it strange that he is mentioned with Horag though . What happened to Horag regulars , Theys-Leinhard-Van de Poele ?

Theys and Lienhard will race the Spyder with Lammers. Van de Poele has a fulltime drive in a Lola-Pontiac for Krohn Racing in Grand Am next year.

brielga · 10 Dec 2007, 17:42 (Ref:2085833)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Oh yeah Mr.brielga ..... I suppose you noticed that Lammers will be driving a PORSCHE then !!!

He hee .......................

Indeed! Just like x, y and z will do for VM Motorsports... btw VM is not looking for paying drivers. I know at least one pro that is close to be Mr. x ....

BTW Ferrari stopped racing protos in 1973 ....

dj choc ice · 10 Dec 2007, 21:29 (Ref:2086004)

you forgot the ferrari 333sp

Marcel ten Caat · 10 Dec 2007, 22:04 (Ref:2086029)

I think brielga means an official Ferrari proto. Not a Dallara/Michelotto one

The359 · 10 Dec 2007, 22:17 (Ref:2086037)

Lancia LC2?

**Dani Filth** · 11 Dec 2007, 00:04 (Ref:2086096)

and it was beautiful

chernaudi · 11 Dec 2007, 07:43 (Ref:2086251)

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Originally Posted by The359

Lancia LC2?

Ferrari built the engines, but otherwise had little to do with the cars or the team. The Martini&Rossi backed team was factory backed by Lancia and Fiat.

And the LC2 would've looked even better if it didn't have that large hole in the nose for the heat exchanger.

On Topic: Jan either had to soldier on with a car that's now nearly a decade old and accomplish little, or put his own organization on the back burner for a spell, and drive for a highly skilled privateer team to keep his driving skills sharp.

But that's nothing against the Dutch. Lammers is a Le Mans legend. And Spykers are built in Holland, and the band Within Temptation(great band with an excellent singer) is Dutch. So I have nothing against the Netherlands.

But trying to run against factory teams and well-backed privateer teams with a car that was still mostly based on a design penned by a private company(Dome) back in 1999-2000 that was basically at the end of it's development life is basically suicide from a figurative(let alone performance) stand point. Even Pescarolo, who I feel is getting kinda shafted by Sony on the Playstation/Gran Turismo sponsorship, will easily out perfrom RfH even if his team didn't merge with Saulnier.

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