dmn 2010

[Robert Morris]

Having just read motoring news about the class shake up for 2010 can any one explaine to me that the class structure is fairer.
The way i read it class e will now enjoy pinto escorts upto 2litre and multivalve upto 1600.
I look forward to all your responses.

[Copperbottom]

Most of the class e minis are quicker than the escorts anyway. The article doesn't make it clear whether Bill's going to be in class C or D now though,I know that under the rules for 2010 it's D but the writer says C

[rww]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

Having just read motoring news about the class shake up for 2010 can any one explaine to me that the class structure is fairer.
The way i read it class e will now enjoy pinto escorts upto 2litre and multivalve upto 1600.
I look forward to all your responses.

The problem is Rob that we didn't CONSISTENTLY put, say, five Mini's out at every round. A quick look at the final DMN results indicates the best Mini showing as five out for the Brands GP, three for the opening round and less than that for the other rounds.

Before I start to try and fit that old 2litre Austin Princess engine I've got in the back of the garage is anybody able to say which of the 2009 Escorts will now be moved to class E so we can see how quick they are ??????????

[Copperbottom]

I would think all of the class D Escorts,the Sierra plus Graham Richardsons' Nova Andy Pipe will also be back out,apart from effectively deleting the old class E (Mini) class as far as I can work out the main change to the rules for 2010 is for the bigger engined/turboed class B+C cars.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

Having just read motoring news about the class shake up for 2010 can any one explaine to me that the class structure is fairer.
The way i read it class e will now enjoy pinto escorts upto 2litre and multivalve upto 1600.
I look forward to all your responses.

As I and others don't get Motoring News (should it read Motorsport news) can someone post the new regs up on here please.

[Copperbottom]

I would IF I could attach it!

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

I would IF I could attach it!

Can you email it to me and I'll do it?

[rww]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

As I and others don't get Motoring News (should it read Motorsport news) can someone post the new regs up on here please.

Class A - All 4wd cars.Touring cars , Over 2L forced Induct., over 3.6L multivalve, over 4.8 2v.

ClassB - 1601 - 2000 forced induct, 3001 - 3600 multivalve, 3600 - 4800 dual valve

Class C - Up to 1600 forceed induct., 2001 - 3000 multivalve, 2601 - 3600 dual valve

Class D 1601 - 2000 multivalve, 2001 - 2600 dual valve

Class E - Up to 1600 multivalve, up to 2000cc dual valve.

Also cars ' featuring heavy modification will be classified above their current engine capacity' 'Cars will be assigned a class based on power to weight ratio,lap times and the revised engine capacity'
The article goes on to say that Bill Richards Mini will move from Class D to Class C.
Motorsport News 11/11/09

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

I would IF I could attach it!

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

Can you email it to me and I'll do it?

No need now.

[BESSIE]

I have been told by BARC that my 1480 mini will be in class C would like to know what cars i am up against xxx

[205dave]

Originally Posted by rww

Class A - All 4wd cars.Touring cars , Over 2L forced Induct., over 3.6L multivalve, over 4.8 2v.

ClassB - 1601 - 2000 forced induct, 3001 - 3600 multivalve, 3600 - 4800 dual valve

Class C - Up to 1600 forceed induct., 2001 - 3000 multivalve, 2601 - 3600 dual valve

Class D 1601 - 2000 multivalve, 2001 - 2600 dual valve

Class E - Up to 1600 multivalve, up to 2000cc dual valve.

Also cars ' featuring heavy modification will be classified above their current engine capacity' 'Cars will be assigned a class based on power to weight ratio,lap times and the revised engine capacity'
The article goes on to say that Bill Richards Mini will move from Class D to Class C.
Motorsport News 11/11/09

I dont understand how bills car can be moved from class d to c because the engine is only 1480cc and not eligable for class d in the first place. They way i read it, it would move from e up to d ?????

[chezza]

Well this is quieter than I thought it would have been...so far! I'm not getting involved too much in this discussion as I have NO idea what i'm talking about. I'm sure those in the know will be along shortly.

[bdwoody]

looks like me and bill then at the mo !!!

[205dave]

I was trying to find a list, online somewhere that shows all the entered car and there cc but i cant seem to find it. I know its on Rods site befor the season starts but i cant find it now.

[205dave]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

looks like me and bill then at the mo !!!

And maybe the fat minis if they enter next year

[BESSIE]

give me a tow down the straights woody xxx

[andypipe]

If all goes to plan, I am back out. I think the minis are just as quick, if not quicker as the escorts and such at some circuits and vice versa

[rww]

Originally Posted by 205dave

I dont understand how bills car can be moved from class d to c because the engine is only 1480cc and not eligable for class d in the first place. They way i read it, it would move from e up to d ?????

It's the number of valves per cylinder Dave. Bill has a 16v head and under 2009 regs. falls into class D (up to 1600 multivalve)
For 2010 the BARC will move cars up a class 'where they feature heavy modification' but basically because he's too damn quick. I guess they are looking for the elusive 'level playing field' which is no bad thing.

[rww]

Originally Posted by BESSIE

I have been told by BARC that my 1480 mini will be in class C would like to know what cars i am up against xxx

Current 2009 Class C cars, primarily your old sparring partners in the 16v Pug 205's , BMW M3's, Astra and Megane.

[rww]

Originally Posted by 205dave

And maybe the fat minis if they enter next year

There's no need to resort to insults !

[205dave]

Originally Posted by rww

It's the number of valves per cylinder Dave. Bill has a 16v head and under 2009 regs. falls into class D (up to 1600 multivalve)
For 2010 the BARC will move cars up a class 'where they feature heavy modification' but basically because he's too damn quick. I guess they are looking for the elusive 'level playing field' which is no bad thing.

Ok, Makes perfect sence now. Sounds Fair to me.

So my car being 1925cc would now be class D, not C is this correct ?

[205dave]

Originally Posted by rww

There's no need to resort to insults !

OK, Larger than you average Mini then

[graham bahr]

vehicles with multivalve cylinderheads other than mass production ones as fitted on a factory assembly line, i.e for fords pintos warrier and holbay, for a series engines jack night and KAD heads a 50% multiplication factor will be applied to othe engine capacity,

this is the same rule currently applied to sequential gearboxes and will also be extende tp apply to cars running center lock wheels

[205dave]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

vehicles with multivalve cylinderheads other than mass production ones as fitted on a factory assembly line, i.e for fords pintos warrier and holbay, for a series engines jack night and KAD heads a 50% multiplication factor will be applied to othe engine capacity,

this is the same rule currently applied to sequential gearboxes and will also be extende tp apply to cars running center lock wheels

Should someone be brave enough to fit one of the BMW K1100 heads to the A series Block, would the same rule apply ?

[bdwoody]

Originally Posted by rww

Current 2009 Class C cars, primarily your old sparring partners in the 16v Pug 205's , BMW M3's, Astra and Megane.

not quite , the pugs are class D unless they are 2001cc+ and 16v,same with the astra .
so far i think bahr ,ronchetti ,richards, me cant think of any more atm..

engines i can see why, but center lock wheels ? are we doing pit stops next year ????