dmn 2010

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

That might just happen But please note I said SEMI spaceframe,ie: just the front or the rear section would be tube.

Also what IF I just fitted a red top?

steel bodied monocoque only, no semi space frames allowed

if you fit a VAUXHALL red top you go class A,

but if you were fit say a 2.0 FORD zetec you would end up in class c

[bdwoody]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

But Woody,Bill will still be in your class..................D.............!

errr no i have a 2999cc 16v ...... i think !

[205dave]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

if he sticks with the same engine richard wont of moved anywhere just the class letter has just changed,

yes bill car will of moved class but so have several others, lets not forget richard is using a mass production 205 head, of course if you preferred the origonally proposed rule change which would of put bill in class A....................................

Thanks for spelling it out so clearly Graham.....

No, simply Just trying to understand which class everybody will be in next year

Looks like woody drew the short straw

[bdwoody]

mmmm !

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

steel bodied monocoque only, no semi space frames allowed

if you fit a VAUXHALL red top you go class A,

but if you were fit say a 2.0 FORD zetec you would end up in class c

Eh? red top would give the same power to weight ratio for less £££££ than a zetec/duratec. Is ford connected to Honda in anyway?? I could go s2000 power

[graham bahr]

Looks like woody drew the short straw

i wouldnt off said so, afterall hes just come out of the 500+bhp rick may class,


i suppose if he put his pistons in a lathe and rubbed them down a bit and smereed some chemical metal on the bores to make his engine under 2.0 then he could play in class D

[bdwoody]

yep i could, but all that aggg for 13cc i dont think so. i could leave a plug out is that ok .

[205dave]

[QUOTE=graham bahr;2580387]i wouldnt off said so, afterall hes just come out of the 500+bhp rick may class,


Agreed on that one, but wouldnt it be more difficult for him to finish 6th overall in the championship in a class with only 2 or 3 regular runners.

But on the other hand maybe the new class c will open doors for other cars to enter that fit just right

[Robert Morris]

So to recap motorsport news have not reported the new class structure correctly or accuratley?
Why mess about with a class structure that was working well if the committe of the dmn were worried about class domination they already had the ability to impose extra weight to be carried.
Which could have been a good equalizer, in fact why it not been used this year?
Why also have the committee used the media to break the news.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

Most of the class e minis are quicker than the escorts anyway. The article doesn't make it clear whether Bill's going to be in class C or D now though,I know that under the rules for 2010 it's D but the writer says C

Dont think many quick escort drivers would agree

[Minicross424]

Graham can you comment on intermarque for next year?
Are the classes changing or staying as they are now?
Will Intermarque class E still run with tin tops?

[greenamex2]

To me it does seem like some form of weight limit would have been easier and fairer. In Classic Thunder (and the rest of the CTCRC series) we use a capacity based weight limit to even things up a bit and help prevent 'oddities' running away with things.

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Minicross424

Graham can you comment on intermarque for next year?
Are the classes changing or staying as they are now?
Will Intermarque class E still run with tin tops?

intermarque class E will stay the same,

as for running with tintops that depends on grid sizes etc etc not the regulations

[BertMk2]

So the rough breakdown will be something like:

A – Rod, Nick W, Darren, Ray, Malcolm
B – Seats, Sierra Cosworths
C – Bill and Woody
D – Richard, Dave, James, Graham B
E – All the Minis except Bill, Nick P, Alex, Andy, Paul, Graham R

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

So the rough breakdown will be something like:

A – Rod, Nick W, Darren, Ray, Malcolm
B – Seats, Sierra Cosworths
C – Bill and Woody
D – Richard, Dave, James, Graham B
E – All the Minis except Bill, Nick P, Alex, Andy, Paul, Graham R

No Bill will be in Class D, Woody's on his own

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

No Bill will be in Class D, Woody's on his own

Bill is using a "trick" head so gets a capacity multiplier applied - meaning he ends up keeping Woody company in Class C.

[Copperbottom]

Doh! You're quite right 1480cc +50% =2220cc = class C. I got confused by the "moved up a class" description.

[Robert Morris]

So who decides plus 50%?

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

So who decides plus 50%?

Graham Bahr

Originally Posted by graham bahr

vehicles with multivalve cylinderheads other than mass production ones as fitted on a factory assembly line, i.e for fords pintos warrier and holbay, for a series engines jack night and KAD heads a 50% multiplication factor will be applied to othe engine capacity,

this is the same rule currently applied to sequential gearboxes and will also be extende tp apply to cars running center lock wheels

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

Graham Bahr

how can that be he competes

[Copperbottom]

Perhaps I should made it clearer;I should of said it's in Grahams' earlier post! Graham is the technical officer aswell as the drivers' rep and a member of the commitee,the same commitee would of decided on the final regs following MSA guidelines. As technical officer he has to tell us the competitor what is legal,which class our cars go in and generally do the sums to work out engine capacities etc.
At the end of the day there will always be someone who's not happy when regulations change,the answer for them is to either modify their cars within the new regs or look elsewhere for a championship that offers what they personally want from said championship.

[bdwoody]

ok that leaves me with a bit of a problem copper ,
1. change engine , with a lot of extra expence , which was not supposed to happen at this level of motorsport ..
2. race as is in class C on me own (or with bill).
3. tell fibs and race in class D till i get caught out..
4. race some place else that has cars of a similar spec !!
5. dont race in 2010 and wait till the rules change again.
6. sell the car and buy some darts and go to the pub( oops they've all closed down ).

decisions decisions..........

[greenamex2]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

4. race some place else that has cars of a similar spec !!

You know where I am

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

ok that leaves me with a bit of a problem copper ,
1. change engine , with a lot of extra expence , which was not supposed to happen at this level of motorsport ..
2. race as is in class C on me own (or with bill).
3. tell fibs and race in class D till i get caught out..
4. race some place else that has cars of a similar spec !!
5. dont race in 2010 and wait till the rules change again.
6. sell the car and buy some darts and go to the pub( oops they've all closed down ).

decisions decisions..........

You got the message then Woody.
Or join class e with a high spec corsa!

[STEVED]

stepen noble will be in class C along with the new BMW Minis.