March 73S - 74S - 75S - 76S - 77S - Page 11

Doug Hart · 15 Aug 2006, 15:19 (Ref:1683323)

1 f2 uprights are kicking around and the tooling already exists

I could not find any .. so we went ahead ..

2 sounds like ROY LANE WOULD HAVE HAD TEE LAMARRE MARCH HE IS WHAT 6O MILES AWAY FROM ROGERS PLACE.. DID HE HAVE 74 AND 75S CARS
His son told me they had a 75S in 75 .. Roy has links with MArch as he ran that 6 wheel thing on the hills for a while ..

3 USA CAR -PREP MAN OWES ME $$ SO I WILL ASK HIM FOR INFO ON THE CAR ALSO THE OLD BOBBY BROWN /JOHN LEPP CAR IS IN USA STILL
IF IT WAS THAT CAR IM SURE HE WOULD STATE THAT IN HIS FOR SALE AD

It is not the bobby brown car that I have seen.. it is Blue without the double bubble cockpit area..

4 SO YOU HAD 74S CAR BACK IN 93 ISH? AND 1 75S OR HAVE U MISLEAD ME HERE? WHO DID U SELL THEM TO AND WHEN

We had one 74S .. bought in around 92/93, raced and sold in 1995/6 when we also sold our Lola T212 (Now with Bob Brooks) .. My Father canny remember who he sold it to and no idea if it was ever raced again

I have a 75S now (my first personally owned historic), as does my brother..

driftwood · 15 Aug 2006, 15:34 (Ref:1683332)

1 f2 uprights are kicking around and the tooling already exists

I could not find any .. so we went ahead .. yr old man called me when yr Bro stuffed the car last year moane dthat they where mag and the car as alloy !!

2 sounds like ROY LANE WOULD HAVE HAD TEE LAMARRE MARCH HE IS WHAT 6O MILES AWAY FROM ROGERS PLACE.. DID HE HAVE 74 AND 75S CARS
His son told me they had a 75S in 75 .. Roy has links with MArch as he ran that 6 wheel thing on the hills for a while .. is that the 6 wheel f1 car that had 2 wheel drive!!

3 USA CAR -PREP MAN OWES ME $$ SO I WILL ASK HIM FOR INFO ON THE CAR ALSO THE OLD BOBBY BROWN /JOHN LEPP CAR IS IN USA STILL
IF IT WAS THAT CAR IM SURE HE WOULD STATE THAT IN HIS FOR SALE AD

It is not the bobby brown car that I have seen.. it is Blue without the double bubble cockpit area..i think 75s was double bubble 76s was 1 larger bubble

4 SO YOU HAD 74S CAR BACK IN 93 ISH? AND 1 75S OR HAVE U MISLEAD ME HERE? WHO DID U SELL THEM TO AND WHEN

We had one 74S .. bought in around 92/93, raced and sold in 1995/6 when we also sold our Lola T212 (Now with Bob Brooks) yes i know the car.. My Father canny remember who he sold it to and no idea if it was ever raced again was it dave shelton did it have bdg fitted? if so its the portuguese car i cant find the email with the tag# so i will ask him im sure he said twas 11 (maybe 13?)

I have a 75S now (my first personally owned historic), as does my brother.. i thought 1 of u had a 74s0 i dont care how many 75s cars u have they are still uglier than my pitbull terrier chewing a wasp - i am surprised at the march cars not being around like chevrons and lolas as they built 13 73s 20? 74s 9 75s cars??

allenbrown · 15 Aug 2006, 15:59 (Ref:1683347)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

i am surprised at the march cars not being around like chevrons and lolas as they built 13 73s 20? 74s 9 75s cars??

Close. There were 19 73S, 11 74S, 5 75S and 3 76S according to the Lawrence book so 38 in total. But many of those went to Japan and are presumably still out there under some strange bodywork.

Allen

driftwood · 15 Aug 2006, 16:59 (Ref:1683385)

i do not believe the Japanese took the later 75 /6 cars the 73/4S was enough for them with the more attractive body which was refined for Fuji hi speed track
Later some cars where converted to a center seater in the 2 seater tub with the same/similar body fitted albeit with the can-am seating shape around the cockpit i will mail u 1 foto

Doug Hart · 15 Aug 2006, 17:48 (Ref:1683426)

f2 uprights are kicking around and the tooling already exists
I could not find any .. so we went ahead .. yr old man called me when yr Bro stuffed the car last year moaned that they where mag and the car as alloy !! ..
The uprights are mag of course.. one broke and sent him off into the barriers on the cars debut.

2 sounds like ROY LANE WOULD HAVE HAD TEE LAMARRE MARCH HE IS WHAT 6O MILES AWAY FROM ROGERS PLACE.. DID HE HAVE 74 AND 75S CARS
His son told me they had a 75S in 75 .. Roy has links with MArch as he ran that 6 wheel thing on the hills for a while .. is that the 6 wheel f1 car that had 2 wheel drive!!
It had four wheel rear drive (unlike the scalectrix version

) .. I saw him warn the tyres up when I was 10 ..

3 USA CAR -PREP MAN OWES ME $$ SO I WILL ASK HIM FOR INFO ON THE CAR ALSO THE OLD BOBBY BROWN /JOHN LEPP CAR IS IN USA STILL
IF IT WAS THAT CAR IM SURE HE WOULD STATE THAT IN HIS FOR SALE AD

It is not the bobby brown car that I have seen.. it is Blue without the double bubble cockpit area..i think 75s was double bubble 76s was 1 larger bubble

No all 75 and 76 cars had double bubbles .. I have a Japanese Mazda engined car and of course the DFV car from 76 also had double bubbles.

4 SO YOU HAD 74S CAR BACK IN 93 ISH? AND 1 75S OR HAVE U MISLEAD ME HERE? WHO DID U SELL THEM TO AND WHEN

We had one 74S .. bought in around 92/93, raced and sold in 1995/6 when we also sold our Lola T212 (Now with Bob Brooks) yes i know the car.. My Father canny remember who he sold it to and no idea if it was ever raced again was it dave shelton did it have bdg fitted? if so its the portuguese car i cant find the email with the tag# so i will ask him im sure he said twas 11 (maybe 13?)
Yep we had a BDG in the 74S .. from Richardson. could be the same one.

I have a 75S now (my first personally owned historic), as does my brother.. i thought 1 of u had a 74s0 i dont care how many 75s cars u have they are still uglier than my pitbull terrier chewing a wasp - i am surprised at the march cars not being around like chevrons and lolas as they built 13 73s 20? 74s 9 75s cars??

The 74s is the ugly one, looks like a beached whale from most angles, Why were they all rebodied by buying March 75S upgrades and why did the Japanese speed heads in 77 and 78 rebodie them as they saw fit ? taste ? I think so

I think Allen is correct re a lot of 74S cars going to Japan, there one for sale last year in Japan with the March moby dick body, and there are otehrs out there.. No 75S cars went to Japan I was told .. but most likely a few body kits went out as everybody tried to get their 74S cars to go down the straights.. The mooncraft ones are lovely looking cars, central seating always looks better that is for sure.

Allen is correct with his numbers, I spoke to Mr Lawrence and he told me he had all the records from the factory to do that book .. He gave them back and they were actually thrown away by the cleaning lady at March.. There are 75s cars, mine was the last sold in June 1975 to an Italian team (trivaletto or something like that) and driven by one Cosimo Turizio by Nov that year .. My bros is the Pilette MRS hillclimb car delivered in Feb 75 to France.

driftwood · 15 Aug 2006, 18:16 (Ref:1683462)

1 I was guessing numbers off the top off my head i wasnt far wrong
2 The center seater march came about when the f2 cars where starting to run in Grand champion races instead of spoprts cars so it was cheaper to fiddle with the seat than but a newer car and of course re jig the body to fit the Mooncraft body is evolved from the 73/4S body
i do not know of the top of mu head how many 73/4S cars are out ther but i would guess no more than 8 went
they also had as many lola 290/292 cars and Chevron b19 /21 /23 cars
I have many fotos info on GC cars and NONE of the ugly 75S shape u so dearly lust after
3 do u have the Dijon 1000 km book by Naviuax? see yellow white car and then ultramar car 1 has different bubble thingy makes the car look tidier i think that could be the Lepp/ Brown usa car
4 I will ask Shelton if he bought the march from u guys i know he ddnt like it drove it once moaned like buggery about it and sold it to the portuguese guy in 98-2000 was glad to see it gone and then he started his own reynard based sports car project

Doug Hart · 16 Aug 2006, 10:33 (Ref:1684024)

f2 uprights are kicking around and the tooling already exists
I could not find any .. so we went ahead .. yr old man called me when yr Bro stuffed the car last year moaned that they where mag and the car as alloy !! ..
The uprights are mag of course.. one broke and sent him off into the barriers on the cars debut.

2 sounds like ROY LANE WOULD HAVE HAD TEE LAMARRE MARCH HE IS WHAT 6O MILES AWAY FROM ROGERS PLACE.. DID HE HAVE 74 AND 75S CARS
His son told me they had a 75S in 75 .. Roy has links with MArch as he ran that 6 wheel thing on the hills for a while .. is that the 6 wheel f1 car that had 2 wheel drive!!
It had four wheel rear drive (unlike the scalectrix version

) .. I saw him warn the tyres up when I was 10 ..

3 USA CAR -PREP MAN OWES ME $$ SO I WILL ASK HIM FOR INFO ON THE CAR ALSO THE OLD BOBBY BROWN /JOHN LEPP CAR IS IN USA STILL
IF IT WAS THAT CAR IM SURE HE WOULD STATE THAT IN HIS FOR SALE AD

It is not the bobby brown car that I have seen.. it is Blue without the double bubble cockpit area..i think 75s was double bubble 76s was 1 larger bubble

No all 75 and 76 cars had double bubbles .. I have a Japanese Mazda engined car and of course the DFV car from 76 also had double bubbles.

4 SO YOU HAD 74S CAR BACK IN 93 ISH? AND 1 75S OR HAVE U MISLEAD ME HERE? WHO DID U SELL THEM TO AND WHEN

We had one 74S .. bought in around 92/93, raced and sold in 1995/6 when we also sold our Lola T212 (Now with Bob Brooks) yes i know the car.. My Father canny remember who he sold it to and no idea if it was ever raced again was it dave shelton did it have bdg fitted? if so its the portuguese car i cant find the email with the tag# so i will ask him im sure he said twas 11 (maybe 13?)
Yep we had a BDG in the 74S .. from Richardson. could be the same one.

I have a 75S now (my first personally owned historic), as does my brother.. i thought 1 of u had a 74s0 i dont care how many 75s cars u have they are still uglier than my pitbull terrier chewing a wasp - i am surprised at the march cars not being around like chevrons and lolas as they built 13 73s 20? 74s 9 75s cars??

The 74s is the ugly one, looks like a beached whale from most angles, Why were they all rebodied by buying March 75S upgrades and why did the Japanese speed heads in 77 and 78 rebodie them as they saw fit ? taste ? I think so

I think Allen is correct re a lot of 74S cars going to Japan, there one for sale last year in Japan with the March moby dick body, and there are otehrs out there.. No 75S cars went to Japan I was told .. but most likely a few body kits went out as everybody tried to get their 74S cars to go down the straights.. The mooncraft ones are lovely looking cars, central seating always looks better that is for sure.

Allen is correct with his numbers, I spoke to Mr Lawrence and he told me he had all the records from the factory to do that book .. He gave them back and they were actually thrown away by the cleaning lady at March.. There are 75s cars, mine was the last sold in June 1975 to an Italian team (trivaletto or something like that) and driven by one Cosimo Turizio by Nov that year .. My bros is the Pilette MRS hillclimb car delivered in Feb 75 to France.

phdm · 19 Dec 2006, 00:15 (Ref:1794192)

Allen started this thread with the (big) ambition of covering the 38 Gr.5 March sports cars.

It so far mainly concentrated on the 75S, 76S and 77S.

Could we try to extend our search to the 73S and 74S models.

Here are some elements as a starting point:

73S/1 - raced in 1973 by Bert Kuehne (Charade) - Colonial Racing Team

73S/3 - raced in 1973 by Gabriele Serblin (Barcelona) - Trivellato Racing Team

73S/8 - raced in 1973 by Toine Hezemans (Paul Ricard, Charade, Enna, Zeltweg), Spartaco Dini (Imola), Javier Juncadella (Barcelona) - Trivellato Racing Team - In 1974 the car is raced at the Monza 1000 km as a 74S by Gabriele Serblin / Paolo Bozetto / Mario Nardari. The car did not finish due to engine problems. Silvio Moser crashed into the back of the car in his fatal accident. In 1975, the car was rebuilt using a new tub and a 75S bodywork. The original tub and bodywork remain today.

73S/9 - raced in 1973 by Alain Peltier (Monza, Imola), Vic Elford (Nürburgring), Bernard Darniche (Estoril) - Ecurie Vic Elford - Later sold to Gerard Moulet, then Michel Bouliere (between 1978 and 1989) - crashed in 1982 - rebuilt with new tub

73S/10- raced in 1973 by Alain Peltier (Charade), Mario Cabral (Estoril), Vic Elford - Ecurie Vic Elford

73S/? - raced in 1973 by Mauro Nesti (Misano) - Trivellato Racing Team

73S/? - raced in 1973 by Cosimo Turizio (Misano) - Trivellato Racing Team

73S/? - raced in 1973 by Cosimo Turizio (Imola) - Scuderia Vesuvio

73S/? - raced in 1976 by Tom. R. Outcault, E.B. Lunken (Mosport World Sports Car Championship) - most likely the same car is raced by E.B. Lunken in Can-Am between 1978 and 1982 (finally as 73/77S)

73S/? - raced in 1972 by Jody Scheckter, Niki Lauda, Dave Charlton (Springbok Series)

74S/6 - raced in 1974 by Brian Henton (Nürburgring), Vittorio Brambilla/Brian Henton (Paul Ricard), Bob Evans/Richard Lloyd (Brands Hatch)

74S/11 - according to old style FIA papers of the car: Mik Beutler (1974-1976), Tony Vlassopoulos (1976-1986), Robin Smith (1986-1991), John Hart (1991-1995), Pierre Haverland (1995-1997), Mike Simpson (1997-1999)

74S/? - 2 cars for sale in Japan in 2003

75S/3 - Michel Pignard, Jean-Pierre Lecomte (1977-2001), Flavien Marçais
NB: Jean-Pierre Lecomte built another sports car with 75S bodywork

allenbrown · 19 Dec 2006, 08:50 (Ref:1794349)

Great work Philippe!

I think the Montjuich Park book (or "40 AÑOS DE HISTORIA DEL AUTOMOVILISMO EN EL CIRCUITO DE MONTJUIC – 40 YEARS OF MOTOR RACING HISTORY AT THE PARK CIRCUIT" by Javier del Arco de Izco) shows the chassis numbers of the Trivellato cars. Simon Hadfield showed me a copy but as I was already borrowing significant chunks of his library, I don't think my car's suspension would have coped with that tome as well!

What are your sources for the 73S chassis numbers you've compiled?

Allen

phdm · 19 Dec 2006, 11:06 (Ref:1794512)

Allen,

Sources:

Right you are ! Some chassis numbers are indeed mentioned in the Montjuich book but there were only two cars in 1973: chassis n° 3 and chassis n° 8.

Another major source is obviously the great work of Martin Krejci.

Other sources but these do not provide chassis numbers:
- Championnat d'Europe des Sport-protos 2 litres 1970-1975, Christian Naviaux, Edition du Palmier, 2004
- The 10.000 km of Francorchamps and its metamorphoses 1966-1975, Jacques Ubags, Edition Axe Int., 2005
- Endurance 50 ans d'histoire 1964-1981, Volume 2, Alain Bienvenu, Ed ETAI, 2004
- Your own findings ,Allen, on the Lunken car, but I think I have found some more results up to 1982. At some point in time, the car is called a 73/77S. Can we assumed it used the 77ST-1 bodywork which itself was run as a "802" ?
- Finally, some personal notes, documents and contacts with various owners.

The Eddie Guba books could be an interesting source as well but I haven't got the 1973 and later books.

I have had no time to start looking through period magazines and publications.

With the very short list, we are still far away from the total 19 73S produced.

We basically have:
- 2 cars for Ecurie Vic Elford (n° 9 and n° 10)
- 2 cars for Trivellato or is it more ? (n° 8 and n° 3)
- one car for Colonial Racing (n° 1)
- one car for Team Ceramica Pagnossin (missing from my list of yesterday)
- one car for Scuderia Vesuvio ?

The difficulty is that some drivers appear to drive cars entered by different teams (Cosimo Turizio, Mauro Nesti).

To add to the confusion, March Engineering also appears at the entrant for some races (including with car n° 8 at Misano).

What is the chassis number of the car that was raced in 1972 in the Springbok series. Could it as a guess be chassis n° 1 ?

How many cars went to Japan ?

How many cars to the US ?

driftwood · 19 Dec 2006, 18:32 (Ref:1794971)

i think 3x 73 cars to japan some 74 cars poss 3) no other models went

the Lunken 73s car ran as 73s for many years
was it called the 77S?
later it seems to have appeared as a centre seater car is this the 802 u refer to?
if so perhaps it was a true f2 car he ran
they had 1x 822 cars 2x 832 cars in usa

Bobby brown ran the 75S ex lepp car in can am as 77ST

driftwood · 19 Dec 2006, 18:44 (Ref:1794984)

Is it now time to have a ful list of the 73-75 cars as we know it at present?

phdm · 19 Dec 2006, 20:30 (Ref:1795080)

The Lunken car was entered in the following races as a 73/77S (source: M. Krejci):
Watkins Glen 06.07.1980
Mosport 14.06.1981
Watkins Glen 11.07.1981
Road America 26.07.1981
Mosport II 13.09.1981
Road Atlanta 23.05.1982

The car that was raced as an 802 by Greg Sorrentino was 77ST-01 (according to the same source).
The car is described as an 802 and chassis number 77ST-1 is indicated:
Mid Ohio 28.06.1981
Watkins Glen 11.07.1981
Road America 26.07.1981
Edmonton 16.08.1981
Mosport II 13.09.1981

phdm · 19 Dec 2006, 20:41 (Ref:1795095)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTH

Lepp/Travis/Atkins - sold 1989 - no idea where it is now.

The blue "Paradis Latin" 75S that is in the US has its chassis plate in the cockpit like this car.

allenbrown · 19 Dec 2006, 22:37 (Ref:1795240)

Quote:

Originally Posted by phdm

The car that was raced as an 802 by Greg Sorrentino was 77ST-01 (according to the same source).
The car is described as an 802 and chassis number 77ST-1 is indicated:
Mid Ohio 28.06.1981
Watkins Glen 11.07.1981
Road America 26.07.1981
Edmonton 16.08.1981
Mosport II 13.09.1981

Yes, but Martin and I figured this out from the accounts of various recent owners. The chassis number isn't a contemporary observation.

Allen

phdm · 19 Dec 2006, 22:53 (Ref:1795255)

What does J. Byron Walker say about it ?

driftwood · 20 Dec 2006, 09:39 (Ref:1795557)

The Lepp car went to Bobby Brown raced as 77S then to Byron walker

the Travis Atkins 75s is the blue car at lee chapman racing- had that confirmed to me 2 weeks ago
where does Lepp fit into this car?
he had 1 x 2 litre car ( now in usa raced in can am with BB ) and 1 car was converted to DFV power

I cannot see Greg Sorrentino running 2 litre sports car as a march 802

phdm · 20 Dec 2006, 10:35 (Ref:1795599)

Check here: http://wsrp.ic.cz/canam1981.html

Or the chassis number indicated therein is not correct and he was indeed racing an F2 ??!!

Sorrentino was already racing 77ST-1 in 1978 as a 77S.

http://wsrp.ic.cz/canam1978.html

driftwood · 20 Dec 2006, 12:03 (Ref:1795678)

THE MARCH 73S lLNKEN CAR IS NOTHING TO DO WITH GREG SORRENTINO AND THE 77S CAR
u will see greg was entered only at 1 race DNA and the 73S was racing with Lunken
With due respect to Martin and his efforts he has had a few guesses at cars and been the 1st to admit any errors (with facts to back them up ) when i have pointed them out to him especially when u consider where he lives and does not go to the races he has done a fantastic job!!!

The Bobby Brown 77S march is 75S john lepp 2 litre car -if u scroll back u will find Bobbys posting and my early confrimation on the car as going to bobby from uk then to Greg

I found 2 fotos on the webs for the lunken 73S and BB 77S cars also there are some of the march 802 with Greg i will try looking again later for it

driftwood · 20 Dec 2006, 12:34 (Ref:1795708)

on RSC sitefound foto of greg S in 1981 in the 802 car this car http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-28-photo.html

was sold to Charles Monk for 82 season http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-12-030.jpg and http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-10-10-030.jpg
will try to post later

also in 81 car no 75 was entered but DNA as march 75s

phdm · 20 Dec 2006, 13:21 (Ref:1795746)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

THE MARCH 73S lLNKEN CAR IS NOTHING TO DO WITH GREG SORRENTINO AND THE 77S CAR

I don't think anybody ever said or wrote that the 73S of Lunken had anything to do with Sorrentino's 77S.

It is however true that Lunken's car was entered in 1980 and later as a 73/77S or 73/77.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/cove...80-07-06ce.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/cove...981-06-14e.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/cove...981-09-13e.jpg

It would be interesting to see the bodywork that was on the car at that time but I have not found any pictures.

phdm · 20 Dec 2006, 13:43 (Ref:1795760)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

I found 2 fotos on the webs for the lunken 73S

These could be 3 pictures.

Either black (dark blue ?) at Mosport in 1976 (Lunken / Outcault)

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-12-018.jpg

or white and blue at in 1978 at Mid Ohio and Mosport (Lunken)

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-12-018.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-08-20-061.jpg

I suspect this is the same car given the specific shape of the modified roll hoop.

phdm · 20 Dec 2006, 14:11 (Ref:1795790)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

I found 2 fotos on the webs for the BB 77S

These ones I guess:

Mosport - 1977
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...08-21c-079.jpg

Riverside - 1977
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-10-16-079.jpg

phdm · 20 Dec 2006, 14:19 (Ref:1795801)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

on RSC sitefound foto of greg S in 1981 in the 802 car

So what's under the bodywork ?

phdm · 20 Dec 2006, 14:21 (Ref:1795804)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

also in 81 car no 75 was entered but DNA as march 75s

When and where ?

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