Motorsport Quiz

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Yes - that's right.

Thanks, my question:

Who is the only driver to have driven for all four of the following teams in F1?:

Ferrari
McLaren
Williams
Lotus

[E.B]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Won the championship with no pole positions.

With a twist of words you could arguably add Keke Rosberg to that list.... Rosberg actually scored his only pole position of the year at the British GP in 1982, but like Hulme and Lauda won his title without starting from pole position. He stalled on the warm up lap and actually started the race rear of grid.

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Thanks, my question:

Who is the only driver to have driven for all four of the following teams in F1?:

Ferrari
McLaren
Williams
Lotus

Nigel Mansell

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Nigel Mansell

Correct

I was going to phrase it as 'the four most successful teams in F1 history', but then realised that Mercedes have now surpassed Lotus as the fourth-most successful team despite having been around just 13 years.

[rbs]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Correct

I was going to phrase it as 'the four most successful teams in F1 history', but then realised that Mercedes have now surpassed Lotus as the fourth-most successful team despite having been around just 13 years.

DDont forget 1954-1955.

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by rbs

DDont forget 1954-1955.

The teams' records are very difficult because of stuff like this. I think the most obvious example is Alfa Romeo. Should the current Alfa Romeo team have their stats combined with those of the early 1980s and the champions of 1950-51, or with the Sauber team that ran from 1993-2017 with a brief time as BMW Sauber? I would argue with the Sauber team.

In which case Mercedes should be combined with Brawn, Honda and BAR rather than with the original Mercedes-Benz. But then arguably they should also get credit for Tyrrell's achievements, which seems a bit of a stretch to me and I prefer to think of Tyrrell and BAR as two separate teams, but that is perhaps a personal opinion.

And the Renault team that exists now seems rarely to be combined with the Renault that existed from 1977 to 1985, but also is generally considered separate with the Toleman and Benetton teams which it came from and which competed with Renault. I would argue that Renault and Benetton should be combined. Renault should definitely be combined with the Lotus that existed from 2012-15 as it was the same team, and with Alpine, their current name. But what annoys me most is when the 2012-15 Enstone Lotus victories are given to the original Colin Chapman Lotus team of 1958-1994, this is certainly not the same team. Nor is the Tony Fernandes Lotus of 2010-2011.

[steve_r]

OK - here we go.

What do the Nippon Autopolis circuit in Japan and Flushing Meadows in New York City have in common?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

The teams' records are very difficult because of stuff like this. I think the most obvious example is Alfa Romeo. Should the current Alfa Romeo team have their stats combined with those of the early 1980s and the champions of 1950-51, or with the Sauber team that ran from 1993-2017 with a brief time as BMW Sauber? I would argue with the Sauber team.

In which case Mercedes should be combined with Brawn, Honda and BAR rather than with the original Mercedes-Benz. But then arguably they should also get credit for Tyrrell's achievements, which seems a bit of a stretch to me and I prefer to think of Tyrrell and BAR as two separate teams, but that is perhaps a personal opinion.

And the Renault team that exists now seems rarely to be combined with the Renault that existed from 1977 to 1985, but also is generally considered separate with the Toleman and Benetton teams which it came from and which competed with Renault. I would argue that Renault and Benetton should be combined. Renault should definitely be combined with the Lotus that existed from 2012-15 as it was the same team, and with Alpine, their current name. But what annoys me most is when the 2012-15 Enstone Lotus victories are given to the original Colin Chapman Lotus team of 1958-1994, this is certainly not the same team. Nor is the Tony Fernandes Lotus of 2010-2011.

A very interesting discussion point. To avoid potential clutter here, I have created a thread in the Motorsport History section of the forum.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by steve_r

What do the Nippon Autopolis circuit in Japan and Flushing Meadows in New York City have in common?

Both appeared on the F1 Calendar but never hosted a race?

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Both appeared on the F1 Calendar but never hosted a race?

Nearly. I was looking at a slightly more specific fact.

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by steve_r

I was looking at a slightly more specific fact.

Apart from being designed to be used counter-clockwise, never got the official F1 homologation may be?

[E.B]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Nearly. I was looking at a slightly more specific fact.

Both had their contracts annulled due to financial breaches?

[S griffin]

They both appeared on the calendar, but never happened?

There's quite a few more in that respect:

Ontario Motor Speedway, Ravenhall, Moscow, Fuengirola, Nepliget Park, Sentul, Zhuhai, New Jersey and Hanoi

[steve_r]

Yes, at the risk of giving it away, it is all to do with what replaced them both.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Yes, at the risk of giving it away, it is all to do with what replaced them both.

The first time Flushing Meadows was removed, it was replaced by a European GP at Brands.
Autopolis was replaced by a European GP at Donington.

[steve_r]

Yes - that is it.

[crmalcolm]

Next question - this is based on more recent developments in the sport.

Marcus Ericsson holds the record, followed by Lance Stroll and Timo Glock.
Although Charles Pic could claim to have the honour.

What record?

[Greem]

The longest continuous run of starts with zero points scored?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Greem

The longest continuous run of starts with zero points scored?

Not the answer I am looking for. The clue is in Charles Pic's claim to the honour.

[steve_r]

Is it something to do with leading races for 1 lap only, or for a very brief period of time?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Is it something to do with leading races for 1 lap only, or for a very brief period of time?

Not the answer I'm looking for.

The answer doesn't lie in the drivers' racing record.

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

What record?

Not the question I'm looking for. Ta!

[rbs]

Is it the length of time run on the starting tyre before they were changed.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by rbs

Is it the length of time run on the starting tyre before they were changed.

No.

Another clue -
Kimi Räikkönen was one of the first to hold this record.

[E.B]

I think the Charles Pic (non 'racing') record is that in qualifying he never even once got out of Q1, with a best career qualifying position of 18th despite two full seasons trying.... although others failed to get out of Q1 in their entire career, Pic did it more often than any other.