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21 Jun 2023, 08:34 (Ref:4164852) | #1 | |
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Parity Review Has Been Called
Speedcafe reporting that there will a parity review.
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21 Jun 2023, 11:15 (Ref:4164860) | #3 | |
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Was this triggered by results rather than data? Because that makes no sense in the spirit of the series, especially when it gives incentive to sandbag...
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21 Jun 2023, 12:18 (Ref:4164867) | #4 | ||
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As long as the review takes into account:
Tickford has 2 fast drivers who crash all the time (preferably into other Mustangs) Tickford can't put together a race strategy or read the rule book. Tickford also apparently can't tighten clamps on a fuel line either DJR are... Back where DJR were before Penske WAU has only 1 driver Grove has only 1/2 a driver GM teams have used more test days than Ford have. I have no issue with a parity review as per the rules, but there is a huge fact that Ford teams have not performed as well as GM teams, and that has noting to do with parity. Even if the cars right now had perfect parity, all of the above is still true, and they'd still be behind the teams who have made less mistakes. |
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21 Jun 2023, 22:50 (Ref:4164936) | #6 | ||
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The thing that I am puzzled about is that whatever Ford has asked for, I guess now 3 different times, they have gotten. Each time it was meant to be the silver bullet. Including an engine map that netted them a pole before Tickford's car self-immolated.
I'm also of the belief that the Ford engine issue isn't put to bed yet, due to torque sensors and transient dyno coming. So why is it that we need a separate review? It would be nice if a single one of the Ford teams had actually put up what you'd call a winning performance, but I don't think one can lay that claim. |
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21 Jun 2023, 12:55 (Ref:4164872) | #9 | ||
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Parity includes drivers? Sounds fun ...
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21 Jun 2023, 12:59 (Ref:4164873) | #10 | ||
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When the parity trigger includes laptimes I guess it has to.
Is it fastest laps? Averages? Parity is an equal TECHNICAL chance of winning for each brand. Whether your team on any given day is good enough to win is a whole other thing. |
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22 Jun 2023, 04:37 (Ref:4164949) | #11 | ||
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Ford presented the chassis and engine they wanted to showcase in the category.
If they have done a job not as good as the Chev homologation organisation we are playing catch up for bad design. |
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22 Jun 2023, 04:41 (Ref:4164950) | #12 | ||
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I just can't get how such serious engine problems got past them during all the testing. That's doing my head in.
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22 Jun 2023, 23:02 (Ref:4165056) | #14 | |
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Of course they get poles, they're "yawing" more through the corners, great for qualy.
Over a race distance though, not so great (tire deg) and since points are only giving for race results.... |
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First it was aero: Ford got it adjusted Then COG: Adjusted Then Ford were SURE it was drivability and power in 3rd and 4th gear: also addressed NOW it's yaw Meanwhile Ford drivers are inconsistent, chuck their cars at the weeds, team prep mistakes that are unforgivable happen, race strategy is objectively rubbish, Ford teams on average have used 1/3 as many test days as GM teams. All of these things would also explain poor tyre life - and NO Ford team could match SVG's tyre life in the previous gen car. I don't know why it is surprising that a fast, but impetuous and ragged driver like Waters would complain about tyre life... If you go hard at the start, you can torch your tyres. If your chassis setup isn't right, you can torch your tyres. These cars don't have anti-roll bars. We knew this would be better for some than others. Funny that people accuse 888 of sandbagging but if you were whingeing for a parity change, you would keep your test days up your sleeve and show what you can do after... |
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23 Jun 2023, 12:25 (Ref:4165110) | #16 | ||
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Lets be honest, are we ever going to get it 100% correct?
Theres always going to be winners losers, better crews, drivers etc etc No matter the vehicle parity some teams do it better. HOLDEN may have had a great package at the time but rarely sighted BJR or Charlies teams winning. FORD had a great package for Scotty but no other ford teams to match him. So its it the driver, the team, the car or a combination. |
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26 Jun 2023, 08:38 (Ref:4165510) | #18 | ||
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Not a parity topic, and posted elsewhere.
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27 Jun 2023, 06:27 (Ref:4165633) | #19 | |
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Complete technical parity can never be achieved.
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27 Jun 2023, 07:35 (Ref:4165634) | #20 | |
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Carrera Cup and the Toyota 86 Series have no problem achieving it. A Mustang Cup would have simplified matters, pending finding a second manufacturer to financially commit to the series. The Brasil Stock Car series has often operated as a one-make cup in times when there was no second manufacturer.
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It has been achieved before (between two makes at least) but there's no question that with the current cars both being 2 door coupes for the first time & also having different engine sizes and configurations for the first time that it appears to be harder than it was. Maybe they'll "get there" or maybe they won't - but personally I don't think that the concept of technical parity should be discarded just because it is hard - that is part of the challenge of running the sport. Ultimately it may prove to be a fruitless exercise, particularly with the different engines but it's too early to throw it in the bin just yet.
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Gen 3 could've been that, but they didn't make sure to do it. Very odd. If there are going to be only Detroit pony cars, I don't think it really matters if there is one model or two as the Camaro and Mustang are very similar and they are both rare cars on the road (the Camaro especially so). It would have been more logical to prioritize getting some of the turbocharged Asian and European sportscars (back) out there in Gen 3, rather than a second pony car in addition to the Mustang IMO. Ideally a Ford Mustang v Nissan Z format would've been better for Gen 3 if only two makes could be managed, it would have restored Nissan's prominent place in the Australia Touring Car Championship and avoided the odd issue of the obscure (in Australia) Chevrolet brand being very prominent which seems rather a marketing dead-end. With very different wheelbases and engine types and so on, it would have forced the hand of organisers to go to Balance-of-Performance with sliding ballast and boost and throttle restrictors and so on, which is an easier way to equalise cars. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 27 Jun 2023 at 23:34. |
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28 Jun 2023, 09:55 (Ref:4165753) | #25 | |
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Is it such a crazy idea to organize a test day with T8 and DJR (maybe Tickford instead) and swap the cars? Both teams have incentive to prove the competitors car is fast so there's no chance of sandbagging.
Surely the cars are similar enough now it shouldn't take long to adjust to any set-up nuance's. |
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