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17 Mar 2022, 19:20 (Ref:4102958) | #1 | ||
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NASCAR returns to Circuit de la Sarthe...
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Moving chicanes in real chicanes?
I would rather see them in the Nürburgring 24 hours. |
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Interesting but is it really Garage 56 material? And do they have an entry agreement with ACO or just hopeful? I get they're adding the hybrid system to the car, or at least planning to, but something that's equal to the LMDh model isn't really advancing anything is it?
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17 Mar 2022, 20:46 (Ref:4102981) | #5 | |
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No way they did this announcement if it wasn't agreed. I'd far rather see G56 used for something like this than a barely modified P2. G56 should bring actual intrigue and add to the show, IMO. I think we've seen "G56 material" is anything the ACO want it to be. Or, whoever is actually interested in doing something.
With all the variety has been stripped out of ACO rules racing, I think this should be applauded. |
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Given that ACDelco is owned by GM, and developed systems for the successful Corvette programs, including the reverse facing video feed that they made bullet-proof by pounding it around in the Corvettes, and which has become standard tech for other race cars and also a lot of new production vehicles from all the world's manufacturers, I think there is some sort of reason to believe some inovative things will be in this Camero, making it an acceptable and justified G56 candidate. Given the support behind this project, it is exciting news. |
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I do wonder if they will use the spec hybrid or go all out with a future Corvette hybrid system and smaller/lighter V8 in the car. That would be interesting but would it really be a Cup car then? The last gen Cup car lapped MUCH slower than GTD at similar tracks. At Road America the lap record for Cup is listed as 2:14.089 for Byron, GTD 2:06.991 for Hawksworth in Lexus, GTE 2:02.281 for Tandy. Street car record was 2:04.877 at a Gridlife event according to the track so that's interesting but guessing "street car" used loosely. It's half the distance and high speed so decent comparison and some speed to make up there. |
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Nascar is marketing, their IMSA arm is too. GM is marketing, but also having to go innovative to continue on a world stage and home market. ACO is marketing too, and their race needs to be 'tech' to remain relavent on the guy on the street. Hendrick is marketing, his dealer network moves a lot of GM product. His mega successful racing side is a powerhouse in Nascar, and don't forget he was chosen for the Corvette GTP IMSA program, which was GM. It was not overly successful, but I don't think that was on the Hendrick side, more the GM parts bin being used to go against the likes of Porsche and the 962. These Cup cars are unibody based, or a bespoke tube chassis-I know they are using a survival cell driver's compartment, like DTM, but DTM cars also are a monocoqe type carbon chassis (or my memory, knowledge, whatever is up a horse's a**). Given the players, they would not have made the announcement if they had not modeled 'something' that will fit-in and not face plant. They can't afford the effect that failure would have marketing wise. Having to push hard in tech development enhances their IP and includes staff. This is going to be ala space program advancing to a moon landing, and will be approached that way. Given the people, companies and the vehicle, it is going to pull a lot of attention of Nascar fans to that big race in France. Nascar (Bill France) did that in 1976 by pushing for a few 'Cup' cars to be allowed to race in Daytona 24 and at LeMans that year. He was looking to garner Nascar interest in Europe. He reciprocated by allowing the ACO GTP class to have an adventure at Daytona, that would later morph into IMSA GTP, and in Europe Group C. That 1976 foray to LeMans can be looked at as a Garage 56 in ways. Marketing wise, certainly not tech wise. |
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I do hope these new NASCARs make a good noise - would be a good reminder of my early days at Le Mans in the '90s when there were plenty of American V8s on the grid.
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950-1070kg quick prototypes running fast corners like indianapolis and porsche sector vs >1500kg bulky car cruising slow in the same corners... what could ever go wrong?
A nascar car running along prototypes and gt at le mans looks more like a forza motorsport/gran turismo special stage than else. |
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18 Mar 2022, 09:01 (Ref:4103051) | #12 | |
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Jumping ahead a bit - but with the marketing hat on, I'm quite interested as to who could end up driving this.
The Cup schedule is so relentless. Taking this year as an example, you've got races on both the Test Day and LM24 race weekends. So you'd imagine any full time Cup drivers are non starters. Surely you'd want a name driver or two to add to the whole thing. I'm just gonna come out and say it - could we get Jeff Gordon at Le Mans, in a Nascar? |
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I eat my hat, if Jimmie and Jeff won´t be driving this thing.
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This should be mega. Only concern I have is how much slower the car will be and if this will pose a safety issue by having much faster cars approaching difficult parts of the track and being caught in multiple traffic - see deltawing in 2012
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I was thinking Jimmy with the prototype driving he has been doing the last couple of seasons. Would they go with a car for retired drivers only though? Nascar is probably more about drivers than cars, so I bet they try to get at least one current driver in there. |
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More likely you'll see AXR drivers who don't have a LM ride in the car as they will be developing it |
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Chase Elliot. Most popular driver in the last seasons and very good on road courses. |
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At Road America the last Gen Cup cars were 12 seconds slower than GTE Corvette. Now some of that is the tires, Michelin confidential vs Goodyear stock car tires. Add in better tire development, new car likely being better road course, somewhat open rule book to develop the car further and sportscar guys developing it I would guess much of that gap will be narrowed. BUT 12 seconds at Road America is 24 seconds straight up track length wise. 2:02 for GTE leads to a 3:47 at LM so not a straight up 2:1 based on track length so maybe likely 4:05-4:15 with some development to improve the time
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Remember the Cup series runs nearly every weekend and he's not leaving points on the table and Cup ain't taking a break for him to go overseas. he would have to skip at least 2 races, maybe 3
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NASCAR will find a solution about that. They bring that car to Le Mans and they want to have their star in that car. NASCAR is creative and will be creative.
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Oh wow!
They will need some really sticky Goodyear/Dunlop tyres to be minimally competitive. Nascar had off weekends for the Olympics. Sure they can have a week off for Le Mans. I think that Nascar will select current drivers, rather than veterans like Jimmie Johnson. |
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This is going to be amazing.
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Unless NASCAR finangles the schedule to have the test day weekend and LM race weekend not conflict with Cup races, HMS are gonna need drivers for this thing.
I can see promo value for a good NASCAR Euro series driver getting contracted. I can def. see Jeff Gordon doing it, since he's a GM/HMS ambassador and Jeff has had an ambition to do Le Mans once his full time racing career ended. And, could it be something if GM and Hendrick and IMSA could con Ron Fellows or Johnny O'Connell out of driving retirement? GM racing legends in road racing, LM veterans, etc? |
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How many hours does a nascar engine typically go through before rebuilds? I have no clue, but this makes me think they may end up with an entirely un-nascar powertrain for the hybrid option. Possibly the unit that will be used in the new Caddy lmdh?
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I barely followed nascar in my life but if actual nascar cars are still sticking to those caveman pushrod 5.8L V8, as far I know, teams used to have fresh engines at each race, unless if a engine was still healthy after a race in poor demanding short ovals like bristol. Of course is quite unlikely that kind of engine could last 24 hours if set to revving up to >9000rpm all the time as they normally do. |
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