Ferrari 458 Italia (merged)

[arakis]

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[HORNDAWG]

Well it sounds pretty good, if indeed this is truly it. Here






L.P.

[arakis]

thx more sound here

[pdxracefan]

The car looks and sound awesome. It is a giant step up from the F430 in both categories IMO.

I can't wait to see it in race trim.

[The Badger]

Yeah ..... a lovely looking beast . All manner of things spring to mind with respect to wings and wider wheel archs !!! ..... and a big FO splitter .

Whats the word about when it might hit the track ?

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Yeah ..... a lovely looking beast . All manner of things spring to mind with respect to wings and wider wheel archs !!! ..... and a big FO splitter .

Whats the word about when it might hit the track ?

That, at the moment, seems to be the Million Dollar question!





L.P.

[rich07]

Could it perhaps be ready for Le Mans next year? Be quite a big ask for a debut race though...

[The Real DMN]

I thought I'd read somewhere (maybe Murphy?) that it would be ready in 2011 and there would be very little factory support for the F430 next year.

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

That, at the moment, seems to be the Million Dollar question!
L.P.

If it is supposed to be ready for 2010 than it will be either Petit Le Mans '09 or Sebring '10 for the debut. If it is going to be 2011 just replace '09 in case of the PLM with '10 and '10 in case of Sebring with '11

Other than that I propose quite some Fiorano, Mugello, Vallelunga & Paul Ricard test laps

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Andy77

If it is supposed to be ready for 2010 than it will be either Petit Le Mans '09 or Sebring '10 for the debut. If it is going to be 2011 just replace '09 in case of the PLM with '10 and '10 in case of Sebring with '11

Other than that I propose quite some Fiorano, Mugello, Vallelunga & Paul Ricard test laps

That we will see it in 2011 is pretty much a given. The question/conundrum is when or if we will see it in 2010. Risi has stated they will not have it for the season opener at Sebring and could/might run the current car with substantial upgrades for 2010. We have also heard some scurrilous stuff that hints at NO Risi in 2010. All I can say is, at least in the ALMS, the sooner the better.

Hence: "That, at the moment, seems to be the Million Dollar question!"




L.P.

[broadrun96]

Having just finally found the time to be able to watch the RA round, it sounded like the 430 will go the 911s route and add some weight to run wider tires and the bigger restrictor. Can't remember who said it and they didnt say what team said anything, but could it be anybody other than Risi. Maybe test the performance of the 430 GT with that package to see if it's worth it for the 458 GT car?

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

That we will see it in 2011 is pretty much a given. The question/conundrum is when or if we will see it in 2010. Risi has stated they will not have it for the season opener at Sebring and could/might run the current car with substantial upgrades for 2010. We have also heard some scurrilous stuff that hints at NO Risi in 2010. All I can say is, at least in the ALMS, the sooner the better.

Hence: "That, at the moment, seems to be the Million Dollar question!"




L.P.

Well, European factory teams lately often used Sebring or the PLM or both to test their cars to "heart & kidneys" (as it says here) under race conditions before they hit the road to Le Mans. Latest examples there are the Peugeot 908, the Audi R10 & R15 and the Porsche Spyder even

[Splatz the Cow]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

Except for the ones where they did (1997 version). There's nothing in the post you quoted that says they did it from the beginning or on all cars - so you're not only rude, but wrong as well.

McLaren built the F1 roadcar first obviously. Then based on that car entered cars for racing in 1995, that were lightly modified road cars.

They then modified the the 1995 race cars to be better for 1996, and these 1996 cars, were reflected in the road F1 LM cars right.

Then the 1997 GTR car was not based off the F1 road car, but the F1 GT (road car.) So again the race version in 1997, was still the same body length as the road car it was based on.

So it doesn't matter whether he specifies the year or not, because it is still wrong.

The McLaren racecar was never longer then the road car.

[Splatz the Cow]

Originally Posted by MJ_N_09

Just shut up Splatz. Not only are you 100% wrong, but you're attacking people who actually know about your 14 year old dream car.

Hey this guy has been stalking me since I was fourteen years old, what gives! Isn't that illegal?

Dude give it up, your not my type.

[arakis]

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Splatz the Cow

The McLaren racecar was never longer then the road car.

Really ..... are you sure ? ..... It certainly looks longer with the long tail ?

If the long tail didnt make the car longer , what did it do then ?

[GTfour]

I have to agree with splatz's explanation here. It's true that the McF1 longtail was based on a longtail streetversion of the Macca.
Just read "Driving ambition", the official McLaren F1 historybook.

[The Badger]

Fair enough ..... I didnt know that there was a long tail street version , cheers .

[gucom]

Originally Posted by Splatz the Cow

Then the 1997 GTR car was not based off the F1 road car, but the F1 GT (road car.) So again the race version in 1997, was still the same body length as the road car it was based on.

So it doesn't matter whether he specifies the year or not, because it is still wrong.

The McLaren racecar was never longer then the road car.

if I may give my humble opinion in this off-topic matter...

1. splatz you were pretty rude, the mistake was understandable, plus the F1 GT was only a homologation special for the '97 GTR, when some1 says "the McLaren roadcar" it's pretty obvious they mean the standard F1.

2. for some1 who behaves so rudely towards some1 for not "taking the effort to look up the facts" it would be nice if you looked up your facts and saw that, in fact, the F1 GTR 1997 is 5mm longer than the F1 GT (McLaren website).

3. let's all be a bit humble and understanding towards each other the aim of this forum, as I understand it, is to discuss racing cars, not to put each other down [/hippy mode]

[arakis]

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Risi Competizione team manager Dave Sims confirmed the team will in fact run a “highly modified” Ferrari F430 GT for the entire 2010 season, and roll out with Ferrari’s new F458 model in 2011.

“The chassis we have right now will go back to Italy and will be transformed into 2010 spec,” Sims said. “They’re going to be highly modifying the existing 430s. Porsche is going to do the same thing; they’re not going to build a brand-new car until 2011, I believe.”

[Jonerz]

Originally Posted by arakis

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Risi Competizione team manager Dave Sims confirmed the team will in fact run a “highly modified” Ferrari F430 GT for the entire 2010 season, and roll out with Ferrari’s new F458 model in 2011.

“The chassis we have right now will go back to Italy and will be transformed into 2010 spec,” Sims said. “They’re going to be highly modifying the existing 430s. Porsche is going to do the same thing; they’re not going to build a brand-new car until 2011, I believe.”

Linky?

Chris

[arakis]

here is the link

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by arakis

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Risi Competizione team manager Dave Sims confirmed the team will in fact run a “highly modified” Ferrari F430 GT for the entire 2010 season, and roll out with Ferrari’s new F458 model in 2011.

“The chassis we have right now will go back to Italy and will be transformed into 2010 spec,” Sims said. “They’re going to be highly modifying the existing 430s. Porsche is going to do the same thing; they’re not going to build a brand-new car until 2011, I believe.”

Hmm, well. Let me just point out that this seems to all predicated off what Rick Mayer had said the week earlier. Included in that is the, IMO, a total misunderstanding of the 2010 rules which bears out by the ACO's announcement from Nürburgring. Mayer seeming to think that the FIA regs would be followed by the ACO ("changes in aerodynamics, electronics and tires. A class-wide ECU from Magneti Marelli") , not true " Stability was key in GT2 and the 2009 rules will continue to apply in 2010." (DSC). So how radically modified could it be? It is still the same rules! Please explain that to me, when they are already maxed in the homologation of the 430? So as I see it, something does not flush out.




L.P.

[Jonerz]

I agree with you L.P. However, there is the possibility that the car does get shipped to Italy and has all sorts of parts stuck to it and it becomes a "Ferrari 430 GT2" *wink*458 mule*wink*. A boy can dream, can't he?

Chris

[arakis]

i agree, i think it was also a misunderstanidin, thinking the new rules would be the same, with fia and aco,

but they could still rehomologate the car to the 14'' tires 100kg more and 9% bigger restrictors, that would mean that the chassis and bodywork would have to be rewoked to fit the larger tires, and the engine would probably have to be remaped