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Or they will, and he's playing mind games!
As to the 'techie' bit? I started this to provide somewhere AWAY from a massive debate elsewhere. I don;t mind is it isn't it, but as soon as facts/figures/numbers, and maths appear, I'll appeal! Oh they already have. WE'RE DOOMED! |
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That yellow font is blinding Ayse-I had to highlight that to know what the word was (i guessed it was yellow but anyway).
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500KW in 1 second is indeed 500Kj...but for a better perspective would be to do the same but with instantaneous torque(Nm)... because electric motors are not that linear, it could be starting with equivalent of 150hp and never reach those 201hp, for those 500Kw in 4 seconds or more... and electric motors with the same energy consumption can present quite different torque(instantaneous acceleration power) figures. And i believe La Sathre is special... too long straights, no point in starting in a fury after a chicane or curve and drop even quite before the middle... that was the point i was trying to make last time.. with info(posts erased?)... it might be that 90x is not an hybrid "per see" after all, more so because then it will have 10l more in the tank(way above 500Kj between brake points for more than 12 laps)... energy recuperation can have many uses not only momentousness "acceleration"... who knows?.. anybody?... is it 90x really an hybrid ? (photo stickers say HDi FAP[the same as before] and no "Hy ; H " anywhere) Last edited by hcl123; 7 Nov 2010 at 05:25. |
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Not 100% on topic, but still worth mentioning. Peugeot has made a video about the birth of 908: http://www.peugeot-sport.com/fr/endu...la-908-hdi-fap Sadly it is only available in French, at least at the moment.
It gives a clear time line of the start of the project:
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If the 90X is following the same timeline then a "finished" 90X will be ready in late december / early january.
What we have seen is probably only the first shakedowns of the engine in the 90X tub. |
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I think Peugeot is much further in the development program. The shakedown was much earlier, probably not long after Le Mans. Peugeot was already testing multiple days at Monza.
I don't buy the "engine undecided" story for one minute. The engine is fixed: V8 HDI. The only decision Peugeot has to make, is whether do run KERS or not. Perhaps we will see two versions of the 90X in Sebring: 1 with KERS and 1 without. They need to determine if KERS gives a performance/fuel consumption advantage... |
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I wonder just how much energy a KERS system can recover in the deceleration phase? I know I asked for minimal numbers, but I guess you have to have SOME calculations!
Bear in mind PSA were big users of the Valeo stop/start idea, where the flywheel was also the starter and alternator, and then add in 10 odd years of development since that concept... It could get very interesting! |
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Given the fact that the shakedown shots date back to July, Peugeot seems to be at least 4 months ahead compared to the 908, thus I expected them to be much better sorted out during the early season than in 2007.
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http://www.heat2power.net/en__introduction.php and most of it its not about hybridization "per se"... but about efficiency and fuel consumption reduction... they even give a "benchmark" comparative of many tech available now in market http://www.heat2power.net/en__benchmark.php This could go very well in hand with new "principle" methods of fuel injection(supercritical or 'near-supercritical) which pug could very well develop in house... so in the end a V8 could be pushed harder, without fuel consumption skyrocket... and without performance being much different from the V12. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009...-20090804.html |
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Possible update on the 90X's testing schedule:
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I caught his shameless plug for LM, mid race, with Martin, too...
"Ah, racing into the night. Just like Le Mans!" I wonder if any F1 istas may come to look at cars with covered wheels? No, I don't think so either! |
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According SportMotores.es Marc Gené suffered today a heavy crash at Motorland Aragon during Peugeot testing duties.
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I trust Marc's OK? If the car's bent, so what, they can make a new one.
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Making a new one takes time and means Peugeot will be behind on their testing.
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How many 90X T-cars does Peugeot have? If they have only one and it's totaled, that will stall their test schedule big time, especially if they don't have a spare tub. Too early to call, but if this continues, it'll be just like Audi with the original R15--a test program that wasn't wholy satisfactory due to aborted or shortened test due to rain and accidents
I hope for Peugeot that they don't have a troubled a time with the 90X, but if they've been testing since September at least, they have some luxury of time, but each day that Peugeot loses is basically a day that Audi gains at this stage, since the R18 has been testing more than likely, and perhaps as early as September for all we know, and it can be conculded that Audi already may be ahead or at least on the same level, as the R18 is due to be publically launched within a month's time, though that may be irrlevenant--the Audi R10 was launced in mid-December 2005, and only had done a few tests dating from late Novemeber of that year. |
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Why only 1 car? I'd assume a back-up is around.
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If the first car has been shaken down in July, I'm pretty sure they should already have at least one more tub on hand, 4 months is enough to lay a new tub.
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