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19 Dec 2002, 18:50 (Ref:453651)
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Tags the odd man out?
An article in today's Globe and Mail seems to put doubt on Alex Tagliani getting a ride anywhere.., It mentions that Newmann-Haas is out for Tags (guess Zonta or Fogarty will get that one), and he doesn't mention Rocketsports at all...
The article also mentions that Alex thinks a number of teams are delaying their announcements of second cars in an attempt to milk Cart for what it's worth as they know that they need teams to field two cars to get a full grid in St. Petes. That's pretty nasty, but I guess it's a good thing there'll be second cars. Here's the article: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/...e_temp/3/3/13/ |
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19 Dec 2002, 20:06 (Ref:453709)
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How can a team NOT pick Tags? He's free for next year?
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19 Dec 2002, 20:41 (Ref:453740)
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Yeah, that's one way you can look at it....
another way is that he doesn't bring any money to the team as some others would... |
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19 Dec 2002, 21:39 (Ref:453775)
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Hadn't thought of it that way round, but its a good point- Pat Patrick, after the loss of Tecate when Adrian went, signed Jimmy Vasser, who's salary was paid by Chip Ganassi, and ended up running the car out of his own pocket for the whole season, with no significant success, and got stuck with only 1 car for 2002.
This said, Rocketsports' sponsorship is lined up and appears not to be driver-specific, so maybe he'll get that. Maybe he didn't mention them because its not his first choice, and he wants to see what other offers he can get. Interesting point about second cars, presumably relating to Rahal, Patrick, Herdez, Newman Haas etc. |
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19 Dec 2002, 21:48 (Ref:453779)
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I have heard some rumours about that incentive money and some rather high-handed dealings with some teams in that regard. I suppose it depends on whether you are the team principal or the guy handing out the money though ...
Tags better start being humble and polite or he's going to find himself lined up next to Jacques on the People We'd Rather Do Without Thanks list. No one is required to hire him. |
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20 Dec 2002, 04:49 (Ref:453956)
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It would be a shame, however, if he wasn't picked up for a ride. There is no doubting his talents behind the wheel and frankly I'm surprised he hasn't got a seat yet.
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20 Dec 2002, 05:25 (Ref:453968)
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Tag didn't really shine last year, he was pretty lackluster. Pat kind of overshadowed him. Where does a guy like that go without a CART ride? You'd think a start up team would jump at the chance to pick him up, so maybe we'll just have to wait to hear the news.
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20 Dec 2002, 05:38 (Ref:453975)
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he's off to Rocketsports
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20 Dec 2002, 06:34 (Ref:453991)
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With Rocketsports, it's kind of a lose/lose situation for the fans. If Tags gets the ride, it also means that Papis doesn't. Same situation at N/Haas.
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20 Dec 2002, 06:50 (Ref:454002)
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Given that choice, I'd put Papis in the seat. Then again, I don't run a racing team.
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20 Dec 2002, 07:13 (Ref:454009)
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Papis, Tagliani, Vasser, Moreno, Zonta, Bourdais, Manning, Barron, Yoong...
The list goes on. There's no shortage of talent. |
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20 Dec 2002, 07:13 (Ref:454011)
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In that last post, perhaps I should have used the word "talent" before the name "Yoong"?
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20 Dec 2002, 08:56 (Ref:454055)
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we'll have to wait and see won't we. I think we've all bashed Yoong enough and the guy hasn't yet turned a wheel in Champcars.
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20 Dec 2002, 08:56 (Ref:454056)
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a veteren at last!
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23 Dec 2002, 02:12 (Ref:455882)
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Tags needs a seat. CART needs Tags to have a seat.
There are still possible places at Fernandez and Patrick. |
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23 Dec 2002, 15:51 (Ref:456203)
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What's wrong with Players?
Tag said that he, and even his manager, have lost contact with Players... |
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24 Dec 2002, 19:30 (Ref:456937)
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26 Dec 2002, 18:09 (Ref:457728)
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I still don't see why you wouldn't sign a free driver for your first team and then use a driver with funding to start a second team. Tags has wins on his resume and he's free. That's enough incentive to hire him for me.
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26 Dec 2002, 18:39 (Ref:457734)
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Actually, Tags does not have wins on his resume (in CART at least). And like others have said before, other drivers bring sponsorship money to the table, so being free doesn't necessary guarantee him a ride. Nevertheless, he's proved to be a driver capable of competing with the front runners and it'd be a shame to see him on the sidelines next season (kind of like Max Papis last season).
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26 Dec 2002, 18:51 (Ref:457739)
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I looked and he doesn't have any wins...I'm flabbergasted. Shame on me. In that case, screw him. Even Dominguez has a win.
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26 Dec 2002, 21:41 (Ref:457815)
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I'd hire Dominguez if I could get him for free. And if I could change his haircut.
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26 Dec 2002, 22:25 (Ref:457834)
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The point is that Tagliani has the speed to have wins. He's proved that on countless occasions. Only to have it ripped from him by either making a stupid mistake (Rio) or mechanical failure (Elkhart Lake, Surfers).
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27 Dec 2002, 04:33 (Ref:457949)
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Re: mechanical failures, don't forget Vancouver 2001. And he should have won Toronto that year, but Mikey got some horseshoes from somewhere...
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27 Dec 2002, 09:01 (Ref:458019)
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Tagliani is worthy of a drive, no doubt.
As has been mentioned above why wouldn't a team sign a free driver. Having said that though he could probably get a drive in a lower order team if he wanted |
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27 Dec 2002, 11:18 (Ref:458075)
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I now expect Papis to get the Rocketsports drive, and Tags to have to look elsewhere. Teams like Walker have showed the reality, by signing two rookies with poor records but lots of cash, suggesting that Tags will need outside sponsorship to get a drive.
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