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9 Aug 2020, 22:18 (Ref:3994313) | #51 | |
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Was really impressed with Albon’s overtakes, round the outside especially. You can’t do that without plenty of talent.
Qualifying seems to be his main weak point, but plenty of F1 drivers have been like that. Jacques Laffite was like that. Albon certainly enlivened the race. He’s also making few mistakes. If I were a team boss, I would consider him before Vettel |
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Every teammate of Verstappen has to cope with a car set up to his liking and, because of a high strung high rake concept, with an unstable balance and aero at the beginning of each season (at least mainly in qualy). I think almost every driver would struggle (even good ones like Gasly and Albon, as has become apparent).
The aero rules changes hasn't helped getting the high rake concept to be stable and a lot of work is required to finesse the aero flow to work in a wide enough range of conditions. Hence the car getting better during the season, because it too hard/too much work to get it done during the winter. Perhaps from 2022 onwards, Verstappen's teammates will have an easier time. |
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10 Aug 2020, 07:36 (Ref:3994376) | #53 | |
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He still gives it a good go despite the struggles. Which is the way to do it.
Gasly seemed to wilt, that is the difference. |
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I reckon the best way forward for RB and Albon is to take the heat off him for qualy and just get the race set up right? The race is where he is perhaps as strong as any of the other top drivers and it used to be a good ploy for Lauda, Prost etc. Alex has got the racecraft to make the most of what the car is capable of over 70 odd laps. He keeps proving that. |
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Realistically given how the team is set up to get Max the best result possible then realistically is there anyone out there (who might be available) that would would be capable of getting better results? Red Bull are still suffering from being blindsided by Ricciardo leaving. |
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he is young so maybe consistency will be something he finds with time and of course one's car must be working for them in order to be aggressive, but it is frustrating to see just how aggressive he can be some weekend and how he can disappear on others.
personally, i rate him well behind Norris. not yet sure where he matches up with Russell these days but it seems many rank Russell right there with Norris. medium to long term i dont think either Albon or Gasly are suitable replacements for Max if/when Max moves on. |
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True, although there aren’t many that are replacements for Max.
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I don't recall many, if any races where he had gone missing? If anything the further down he qualifies, the more tenacious he becomes. |
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perhaps disappear was way to strong a word.
i suppose by comparing him to Max i am applying an unfair standard. but surely this is also the measuring stick RB have to use? |
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Gasly reminds me a bit of Frentzen. Didnt perform when he got his big chance, but delivers with the pressure off. Perhaps that's unfair, as the Red Bull gig was much earlier in his career than Frentzen's Williams opportunity.
I would love to see Albon have a good qualifying session, because the race could be something to behold. It appears no potential Red Bull driver would get near Verstappen. Wins and bants. |
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10 Aug 2020, 20:14 (Ref:3994623) | #61 | |
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Perhaps Heinz-Harald felt pressure seeing how the team treated previous heroes. Hero today, gone tomorrow?
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Even Frank Williams and Patrick Head admitted mind management was not their strong point. That was the problem with HHF, he was someone needed to be in a team where he felt loved. That's why he did so well in that Jordan in 99
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Can we get back on topic please?
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Yes please. As I recall, this thread was supposed to be about Albon....
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It’s funny, I’m just about old enough to remember his Dad racing a Renault 19 in the BTCC
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I never knew that. I vaguely remember the name, off j go to Wikipedia
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Seems that Red Bull strategy really left him no chance to improve his position
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Sadly, Albon was pretty poor today....
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But it can't be argued that getting him to take his 1st stop when they did and put him on the tyres that should have been the last choice put him way out of sinc.
They forced him out into traffic on less than ideal rubber which was always going to be hard to overcome. The lad seemed at a complete loss for answers after the race. |
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Albon did his best with the "strategy" he was getting from Red Bull.
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Like Max said "I can overtake them easy" Albon was in the same car that finished 2nd and lapped the whole midfield |
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Lapping might be easier when you are on reasonable tyre strategies. (ie not the hard rubber Albon was put on after he was stopped earlier than needed (so they could check how his softs were ). Albon seems to be the Red Bull strategy mule to help the team with Max's strategy decision. I guess that is what #2 drivers are there for.
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I'm not talking about the lapping itself, I'm talking about the speed difference between the Red Bull and the midfield Albon was also 7 tenths slower in qualifying on the same tire and where Max drove away from the Racing Point cars, Albon was losing time on hem in the first stint even if Albon had exactly the same strategy it would have been bad Last edited by steve nielsen; 17 Aug 2020 at 08:00. |
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