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View Poll Results: Which manufacturer will win the GTE AM class this year?
Ferrari 3 30.00%
Corvette 6 60.00%
Porsche 0 0%
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Old 9 Jun 2023, 01:11 (Ref:4160911)   #1
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Poultry GTE Le Mans 2023

I've changed to Top 20,40 and 60 for the average comparison. I've used Top 40 for the order in the table.

Some of the cars lower down will have struggled to get 40 representative laps, but for the top ones I think it is a fair comparison (as much as it can be).

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RankCarFastestTop 20Top 40Top 60Laps
157 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:52.4593:54.3873:55.3843:56.415138
254 AF Corse Ferrari3:51.9143:54.1363:55.4603:56.876126
333 Corvette Racing Chevrolet3:52.2283:54.6423:56.2283:57.967110
460 Iron Lynx Porsche3:53.3163:54.5133:56.5143:59.642105
583 Richard Mille AF Corse Ferrari3:51.8773:55.0993:56.6023:57.817120
685 Iron Dames Porsche3:53.6033:55.6023:56.8683:58.380110
786 GR Racing Porsche3:53.0723:54.8523:56.8813:58.732113
821 AF Corse Ferrari3:52.9683:55.6713:57.0443:58.384124
916 Proton Competition Porsche3:53.4193:55.4773:57.2293:59.307107
1025 ORT by TF Aston Martin3:52.4313:56.0933:57.4273:59.164106
1156 Project 1 - AO Porsche3:53.4393:55.8723:57.8483:59.434109
1277 Dempsey - Proton Racing Porsche3:53.3513:55.5243:58.0894:03.174105
1374 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:53.2633:55.7403:58.1034:00.477125
1498 Northwest AMR Aston Martin3:53.4063:56.4663:58.1813:59.97593
15911 Proton Competition Porsche3:54.1293:56.1783:58.2464:00.740103
1672 TF Sport Aston Martin3:53.7033:57.0513:58.4933:59.904124
1766 JMW Motorsport Ferrari3:52.9653:56.1293:58.5384:05.01284
1855 GMB Motorsport Aston Martin3:52.4843:57.4163:58.8424:00.297126
1988 Proton Competition Porsche3:53.2133:56.9623:59.6014:02.649108
20100 Walkenhorst Motorsport Ferrari3:53.5903:57.4653:59.7704:01.788116

Interesting. The Ferraris have the pace. Other than when you make it a bronze competition and Ben comes to the fore!

The lone Corvette looks good, of course.

Porsche show they have some pace, despite the disappointing qualifying.

And the Astons look the weakest, following the form of the year.

Attached are the laps in order of faster to slowest for each car. I have chose the fastest in the table from each manufacturer. The Ferrari and the Porsche are pretty consistent until about the 30th lap. The Corvette slowly falls off. The Aston is consistently slower.

It's all complicated by the driver that did the laps, but I think it'll be a battle between 3 manufacturers. Corvette only has one bullet though.
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I have used this as an excuse to start an GTE thread.

So who is going to be, which manufacturer will do it.

Aston, Corvette, Ferrari, Porsche?
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My heart says Corvette, of course. Would love to say Porsche, buuuut if the clients are experiencing severe technical issues this wont be easily cured on the field and it is to fear that all engines are built the same way (if engine is the issue). Unless a client says dont give a dam to the seals I'll fix it myself. So, has to be Ferrari.

Thanks for this, Adam.

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Really hoping for a Corvette victory hear. Ben is such a true driver and lover of racing. Still feel for him for losing out in the Ford a few years ago due to a technical error by the team.
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I am torn with this one I would love too see one of the Aston's win I think it will be the Corvette.

But as I said in the LMP2 thread this one could go anywhere and I guess it will come down to who has the cleanest run.
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Old 9 Jun 2023, 14:45 (Ref:4161046)   #6
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Are you able to do the charts but for only the AM driver? thats normally where the most time is lost/gained
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That is a good shout. I’ll have a look. Need to finish some actual work first!
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Are you able to do the charts but for only the AM driver? thats normally where the most time is lost/gained
Here you go. Ranked by fastest Top 10.

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RankCarFastestTop 10Top 20Top 30Laps
1Ben KEATING (B) Chevrolet 333:52.3763:55.5913:57.5334:03.87837
2Luis PEREZ COMPANC (B) Ferrari 833:55.0333:58.0363:59.0434:00.14343
3Thomas FLOHR (B) Ferrari 543:54.5823:57.6223:59.2984:01.53041
4Takeshi KIMURA (B) Ferrari 573:55.6373:58.9674:00.4134:02.58850
5Arnold ROBIN (B) Aston Martin 723:57.1473:58.8784:00.5564:03.06138
6Ahmad AL HARTHY (B) Aston Martin 253:53.9053:58.0964:00.6104:03.44343
7Sarah BOVY (B) Porsche 853:57.5523:58.6934:01.0384:26.87932
8Gustav BIRCH (B) Aston Martin 553:57.6253:58.5354:01.1344:27.20446
9PJ HYETT (B) Porsche 563:59.4514:00.4044:01.3204:02.50847
10Jens Reno MØLLER (B) Aston Martin 553:57.2404:00.0874:02.0034:03.28048
11Michael WAINWRIGHT (B) Porsche 863:59.4674:00.9514:02.2144:08.29838
12Ryan HARDWICK (B) Porsche 163:58.2124:00.3084:03.1134:13.82735
13Julien PIGUET (B) Ferrari 213:54.7443:59.4294:03.6125:21.61931
14Andrew HARYANTO (B) Ferrari 1003:59.1334:01.3854:03.7544:12.19439
15Michael FASSBENDER (B) Porsche 9114:02.0934:03.6394:05.3684:10.02636
16Ian JAMES (B) Aston Martin 984:00.8544:02.3574:05.560NA28
17Yorikatsu TSUJIKO (B) Ferrari 743:59.6484:03.4454:06.4484:13.24745
18Claudio SCHIAVONI (B) Porsche 604:03.6734:05.3794:07.4864:22.92736
19Christian RIED (B) Porsche 774:00.7774:02.9274:09.5604:21.29843
19Donald YOUNT (B) Porsche 884:04.2444:07.2054:09.5984:26.94836
19Giacomo PETROBELLI (B) Ferrari 663:59.3204:01.1034:10.554NA25
19Satoshi HOSHINO (B) Aston Martin 7774:02.8444:54.515NANA14
Note: The Top 30 isn't really working as most didn't do enough laps. Including

Ben Keating: Legend.

The chart is the same four cars as above, but the Bronze drivers only. I was going to match the scale, but had to increase the y axis for Iron Lynx.

Putting in the hard yards and Ben will get you to the front when up against other Bronze. And probably a fair chunk of the Silver and Golds too!

At the end of the race I expect we are just Gold and Platinums...
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JMW Motorsport Ferrari leading at the 6hour mark, but messed up and Now Project 1 Rexy Porsche leads from Iron Dames.

They are all on similar strategy as they all came in when it started raining recently.

Porsche
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Ferrari
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Aston Martin

Corvette still 2 laps down.
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3h 15 to go.

And Corvette are back in it.

#33 Corvette
#85 Iron Dames
#25 ORT by TF
#56 Project 1 (jstu stopped)
#86 GR Racing
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I turned the coverage off pretty much as Ferrari crossed the line as I had to get to a family BBQ.

I am just watching the Radio Le Mans post race show and I didn't know that the GR Racing car finished 3rd I was watching the battle in GTE on the timing screen and they where not even on my radar for a podium finish.
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I turned the coverage off pretty much as Ferrari crossed the line as I had to get to a family BBQ.

I am just watching the Radio Le Mans post race show and I didn't know that the GR Racing car finished 3rd I was watching the battle in GTE on the timing screen and they where not even on my radar for a podium finish.
Yes that final spot was up for grabs in the last couple of hours.

Really surprised by the race attrition here for a class that has been around for so long and been reliable.
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Relative pace of the GTE-Ams.

Average Lap time - Race
RankCarFastestTop 50Top 100Top 150Laps
186 GR Racing Porsche3:50.7713:52.2423:53.0593:54.841312
233 Corvette Racing Chevrolet3:50.4393:52.3533:53.1093:54.121313
356 Project 1 - AO Porsche3:51.4463:53.0453:54.2993:55.923309
425 ORT by TF Aston Martin3:51.5303:53.5843:54.4603:55.406312
554 AF Corse Ferrari3:52.1243:53.9883:55.2223:56.828312
685 Iron Dames Porsche3:53.5733:54.9613:55.6493:56.327312
798 Northwest AMR Aston Martin3:51.9923:54.6883:55.6653:56.915310
857 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:52.4683:55.0023:57.0244:01.415254
9100 Walkenhorst Motorsport Ferrari3:54.5193:56.0863:57.6773:58.996307
10911 Proton Competition Porsche3:53.0563:55.1493:58.1914:02.689246
1174 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:53.2403:55.7003:58.3474:01.588303
1288 Proton Competition Porsche3:51.8113:54.5204:02.6704:31.030170
13777 D'Station Racing Aston Martin3:54.6513:56.6334:04.1274:42.491163
1477 Dempsey - Proton Racing Porsche3:55.0604:02.4234:37.722NA118
1566 JMW Motorsport Ferrari3:53.0864:09.035NANA89
1672 TF Sport Aston Martin3:55.0434:59.004NANA58
1760 Iron Lynx Porsche3:51.385NANANA28
1883 Richard Mille AF Corse Ferrari3:52.485NANANA33
1921 AF Corse Ferrari3:54.797NANANA21
2055 GMB Motorsport Aston Martin3:56.189NANANA21
2116 Proton Competition Porsche3:58.707NANANA28

OK, so Top 100 the Corvette isn't 1st in this ranking, but Top 150 it is - is that the Ben Keating effect?! Less drop off when the Bronze is in?
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Well done Aysedasi, joeb, PeterY, rdjones, Richard117 and skycafe - it was Corvette that one. You had one bullet in the gun and bang - bullseye.
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DSC have a nice article on Corvette’s win.

This caught my eye. Wow!
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https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/...t-le-mans.html
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I've changed to Top 20,40 and 60 for the average comparison. I've used Top 40 for the order in the table.

Some of the cars lower down will have struggled to get 40 representative laps, but for the top ones I think it is a fair comparison (as much as it can be).

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RankCarFastestTop 20Top 40Top 60Laps
157 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:52.4593:54.3873:55.3843:56.415138
254 AF Corse Ferrari3:51.9143:54.1363:55.4603:56.876126
333 Corvette Racing Chevrolet3:52.2283:54.6423:56.2283:57.967110
460 Iron Lynx Porsche3:53.3163:54.5133:56.5143:59.642105
583 Richard Mille AF Corse Ferrari3:51.8773:55.0993:56.6023:57.817120
685 Iron Dames Porsche3:53.6033:55.6023:56.8683:58.380110
786 GR Racing Porsche3:53.0723:54.8523:56.8813:58.732113
821 AF Corse Ferrari3:52.9683:55.6713:57.0443:58.384124
916 Proton Competition Porsche3:53.4193:55.4773:57.2293:59.307107
1025 ORT by TF Aston Martin3:52.4313:56.0933:57.4273:59.164106
1156 Project 1 - AO Porsche3:53.4393:55.8723:57.8483:59.434109
1277 Dempsey - Proton Racing Porsche3:53.3513:55.5243:58.0894:03.174105
1374 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:53.2633:55.7403:58.1034:00.477125
1498 Northwest AMR Aston Martin3:53.4063:56.4663:58.1813:59.97593
15911 Proton Competition Porsche3:54.1293:56.1783:58.2464:00.740103
1672 TF Sport Aston Martin3:53.7033:57.0513:58.4933:59.904124
1766 JMW Motorsport Ferrari3:52.9653:56.1293:58.5384:05.01284
1855 GMB Motorsport Aston Martin3:52.4843:57.4163:58.8424:00.297126
1988 Proton Competition Porsche3:53.2133:56.9623:59.6014:02.649108
20100 Walkenhorst Motorsport Ferrari3:53.5903:57.4653:59.7704:01.788116

Interesting. The Ferraris have the pace....
I found it interesting to note the Iron Dames had the individual 3rd slowest fast lap, yet they figure in the top half dozen in the longer stint figures. I guess it shows them to have been consistent and very respectable when you take out the quick Ferraris and the Corvette.
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Thanks for this Adam. Very impressed by Andy the Belgian spotter's job: "He was cycling through every closed-circuit camera around the track, on his own, to inform all three drivers of potential hazards and faster cars approaching from behind". I wonder how he managed to go cycling and inform the drivers in the meanwhile? We learn so much from those PR people I'd like to thank.
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The battle. I've just chosen the podium. Remember it is the race amongst only these three. So if you are leading on this chart that doesn't always mean you are leading overall. Apart from the last lap.

Also done an alternative with the three cars that lead the most.
Corvette #33: 66 laps
Project 1 Porsche #56: 78laps
Iron Dames Porsche #85: 54 laps
(Kessel Ferrari #57: 53laps, just missed out here)

The Corvette is coming to get you...
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Amazing end of the race for Corvette, just got the lead and pulled time away.
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I don’t think the car is really that much quicker than the rest. It might not be the quickest. If I was to guess I would say Ferrari, Corvette, Porsche and tiny gaps between them. Aston further behind.

What really separates them from the others is that the team is class and the drivers are superb.
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I found it interesting to note the Iron Dames had the individual 3rd slowest fast lap, yet they figure in the top half dozen in the longer stint figures. I guess it shows them to have been consistent and very respectable when you take out the quick Ferraris and the Corvette.
A small thing - that quoted table is practice. The race is here. https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...0&postcount=13

Your point remains.

Average Lap time -Race
RankCarFastestTop 50Top 100Top 150Laps
186 GR Racing Porsche3:50.7713:52.2423:53.0593:54.841312
233 Corvette Racing Chevrolet3:50.4393:52.3533:53.1093:54.121313
356 Project 1 - AO Porsche3:51.4463:53.0453:54.2993:55.923309
425 ORT by TF Aston Martin3:51.5303:53.5843:54.4603:55.406312
554 AF Corse Ferrari3:52.1243:53.9883:55.2223:56.828312
685 Iron Dames Porsche3:53.5733:54.9613:55.6493:56.327312
798 Northwest AMR Aston Martin3:51.9923:54.6883:55.6653:56.915310
857 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:52.4683:55.0023:57.0244:01.415254
9100 Walkenhorst Motorsport Ferrari3:54.5193:56.0863:57.6773:58.996307
10911 Proton Competition Porsche3:53.0563:55.1493:58.1914:02.689246
1174 Kessel Racing Ferrari3:53.2403:55.7003:58.3474:01.588303
1288 Proton Competition Porsche3:51.8113:54.5204:02.6704:31.030170
13777 D'Station Racing Aston Martin3:54.6513:56.6334:04.1274:42.491163
1477 Dempsey - Proton Racing Porsche3:55.0604:02.4234:37.722NA118
1566 JMW Motorsport Ferrari3:53.0864:09.035NANA89
1672 TF Sport Aston Martin3:55.0434:59.004NANA58
1760 Iron Lynx Porsche3:51.385NANANA28
1883 Richard Mille AF Corse Ferrari3:52.485NANANA33
1921 AF Corse Ferrari3:54.797NANANA21
2055 GMB Motorsport Aston Martin3:56.189NANANA21
2116 Proton Competition Porsche3:58.707NANANA28
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