2022-2023 Silly Season Thread

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I should add that you are entitled to your own opinion, but equally so are others that you disagree with.

Of course, and no problem with that.

The funny thing is to suggest it was amicable. Anybody saying that clearly has no knowledge of the case.

[VIVA GT]

Understandably there was a fall out between the two parties which is why the issue had (unfortunately) to be taken to court and a settlement sought.
Now that the settlement has been made and both parties have accepted the outcome the issue has been settled so NOW there should be no acrimony.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

The funny thing is to suggest it was amicable. Anybody saying that clearly has no knowledge of the case.

Well, the people saying it were Daniel Ricciardo and Glenn Beavis:

DR: "We've put a fork in it. It is all sorted, settled. I can't go into details, but we both met and it has been done and put to bed. And not in a bad way or anything. It actually ended a lot sweeter than it looked a few months ago."

GB: "[we] reached an amicable settlement over the amounts due."

Joint Statement: "Daniel Ricciardo and Glenn Beavis are pleased to confirm that they have reached an amicable settlement over the amounts due to Glenn and thus bringing to an end the proceedings in the High Court in London. Daniel and Glenn wish each other well in their future endeavours."


I guess their knowledge of the case is pretty limited?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Well, the people saying it were Daniel Ricciardo and Glenn Beavis:

DR: "We've put a fork in it. It is all sorted, settled. I can't go into details, but we both met and it has been done and put to bed. And not in a bad way or anything. It actually ended a lot sweeter than it looked a few months ago."

GB: "[we] reached an amicable settlement over the amounts due."

Joint Statement: "Daniel Ricciardo and Glenn Beavis are pleased to confirm that they have reached an amicable settlement over the amounts due to Glenn and thus bringing to an end the proceedings in the High Court in London. Daniel and Glenn wish each other well in their future endeavours."


I guess their knowledge of the case is pretty limited?

Best refer to post #499...

i suspect most people commenting have never been involved in court poroceedings. It certainly seems like it.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Best refer to post #499...

i suspect most people commenting have never been involved in court poroceedings. It certainly seems like it.

You're at it again, and making assumptions (I suspect) that possibly have no foundation.

I was involved in a company dispute back in the 80s against a very minority shareholder that involved many visits to the High Court, where eventually the judge threw out the other side because they had, possibly inadvertently, lied to the court. I can tell you that it was eventually settled out of court amicably, especially important that it involved a close relative with whom I maintained very amiable relations for years after until she sadly passed away. I am still in close contact with the family.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

You're at it again, and making assumptions (I suspect) that possibly have no foundation.

I was involved in a company dispute back in the 80s against a very minority shareholder that involved many visits to the High Court, where eventually the judge threw out the other side because they had, possibly inadvertently, lied to the court. I can tell you that it was eventually settled out of court amicably, especially important that it involved a close relative with whom I maintained very amiable relations for years after until she sadly passed away. I am still in close contact with the family.

Assumptions, perhaps true. But with some knowledge of the case. Unlike most I suspect. LOL.

This place can be fun sometimes. It's just a shame when the armchair and bedroom warriors want to shout down someone who might actually know what they are on about on a particular subject.

[broadrun96]

And those "in the know" here are often proven to be so far removed from the actual knowledge the armchair folks have been FAR FAR FAR more accurate with guesses. But sure, we will all bow to your obvious member of UPPER FIA management and knowledgeable about ALL things from all teams.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

And those "in the know" here are often proven to be so far removed from the actual knowledge the armchair folks have been FAR FAR FAR more accurate with guesses.

Ah, but don't confuse the bedroom keyboardists claiming to be insiders with real people who might actually really be in the real paddock.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Ah, but don't confuse the bedroom keyboardists claiming to be insiders with real people who might actually really be in the real paddock.

And who have been involved in court proceedings?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

And who have been involved in court proceedings?

Sadly that applies to pretty much everyone who has been professionally involved in motorsports at a reasonably senior level or above. Unfortunately it attracts those who don't want to pay for, or deliver, what they signed up for.

[crmalcolm]

Real people in the real paddock - or sat in an armchair at home. Either way, it is exactly the same - posting on here makes them all part of the 'keyboard warrior' crowd.

By dismissing those who are not in the paddock with terms such as 'armchair and bedroom warriors' suggests that their contribution to this forum is less valid?
By referring to those in the paddock as being 'real people' suggests that those who are not in the paddock are somewhat lesser, or being fake?

If posting from 'inside the paddock' it helps to clarify what authority that position holds. If a poster from 'inside the paddock' is not able to confirm their identity, role or position - it suggests that they are not posting accurate information, or information that they are not able to substantiate. Which makes that information about as valuable as something posted.

Take Jamie Woodhouse for example [someone who has referred to the position as 'amicable']. He is a journalist with credentials that can be checked. Are they not a real person from the real paddock?

From what I have seen recently - the shouting seems to be coming from a position that claims to be 'inside the paddock' at outsiders.

[Richard C]

I can imagine that being at the events and in the mix clearly creates the potential to be more informed and to have a perspective that is different to that of those on the outside. But it also doesn't mean that perspective is always correct. Or maybe even consistent with all of the others with the same information!

I expect most of us have worked in a large enough organization to truly be "in the know" on topics, but yet not able to speak about them. And see others who are still in the organization
who "think" they know what is going on, but you clearly know they have gotten it badly wrong.

I welcome the information from those on the inside. I think they can bring good info and insight. But anyone (inside or outside) can be wrong at any time.

As to this entire Ricciardo vs. Beavis topic (which frankly I knew nothing about until this thread). I think only they know in their own heads how they felt then or feel now. If anyone has to resort to going to court, the are likely not to have positive feelings about the entire situation. Not to say that people can't come out the other end "satisfied" (or what other adjective we want to use)

Richard

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I can imagine that being at the events and in the mix clearly creates the potential to be more informed and to have a perspective that is different to that of those on the outside. But it also doesn't mean that perspective is always correct. Or maybe even consistent with all of the others with the same information!

I expect most of us have worked in a large enough organization to truly be "in the know" on topics, but yet not able to speak about them. And see others who are still in the organization
who "think" they know what is going on, but you clearly know they have gotten it badly wrong.

I welcome the information from those on the inside. I think they can bring good info and insight. But anyone (inside or outside) can be wrong at any time.

As to this entire Ricciardo vs. Beavis topic (which frankly I knew nothing about until this thread). I think only they know in their own heads how they felt then or feel now. If anyone has to resort to going to court, the are likely not to have positive feelings about the entire situation. Not to say that people can't come out the other end "satisfied" (or what other adjective we want to use)

Richard

Thanks for bringing the balanced approach Richard.

I just found it a little frustrating to be told the facts of life by others who had probably never heard of it either. Amicable is laughable.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by peebee2

I just found it a little frustrating to be told the facts of life by others who had probably never heard of it either. Amicable is laughable.

Even more frustrating to be shown to be wrong I imagine. The known facts are statements from the parties involved so unless new evidence is presented assertions by self proclaimed "insiders" are as you say, laughable.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by dsg

Even more frustrating to be shown to be wrong I imagine. The known facts are statements from the parties involved so unless new evidence is presented assertions by self proclaimed "insiders" are as you say, laughable.

Wow. Anyone who believes agreed quotes from an adversarial court case must be very similar to someone who reads press releases and believes them.

FYI when you reach a legal compromise it is normal practice for all public record quotes to be agreed by all parties. They rarely bear any resemblance to the truth, but they are agreed.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Wow. Anyone who believes agreed quotes from an adversarial court case must be very similar to someone who reads press releases and believes them.

You're right. Much more fun to just make up our own assumptions.

I think Danny Ric was sleeping with his managers wife and that's the cause. The settlement is she has to block him on her phone, except for every 3rd weekend.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

You're right. Much more fun to just make up our own assumptions.

I think Danny Ric was sleeping with his managers wife and that's the cause. The settlement is she has to block him on her phone, except for every 3rd weekend.

Your almost right, it's every fourth weekend but bank holdiays are extra.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Your almost right, it's every fourth weekend but bank holdiays are extra.

Sounds like an amicable agreement has been reached.

[Sandgroper]

So is Danny Ric, going to chase Haas

SURELY he would sit and wait on Lewis without a promise. But a year out of the game wouldnt be wise I would be thinking.

or is he just playing coy and not suggesting anything other than a 12 month lay off

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

So is Danny Ric, going to chase Haas

SURELY he would sit and wait on Lewis without a promise. But a year out of the game wouldnt be wise I would be thinking.

or is he just playing coy and not suggesting anything other than a 12 month lay off

He’s done.Stop torturing yourself with scenarios that won’t happen.

[PhilipR]

I find it interesting that fans get upset when young talent cannot get a seat in f1 - but also get upset when a driver that has been in for 10+ years cannot find a ride and needs to leave. For on to happen the other has to give

I wonder if it is better for Danny to look somewhere else in motorsport than to hang around hoping for a seat at a top team which I do not think it will happen

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

I find it interesting that fans get upset when young talent cannot get a seat in f1 - but also get upset when a driver that has been in for 10+ years cannot find a ride and needs to leave. For on to happen the other has to give

I wonder if it is better for Danny to look somewhere else in motorsport than to hang around hoping for a seat at a top team which I do not think it will happen

Sounds like Haas' choice is Ricciardo or Schumacher or maybe supersub Hulkenburg. Personally, I don't find any of them particularly inspiring.

Only one of those 3 fits into the category of young talent, but who apart from his die hard fans and those misty eyed over his great father would really say that they would miss young Mick if he was left without a drive next year? He has on occasion matched or narrowly beaten his teammate this season, but not often enough for my liking. Nevertheless, given the 2 alternatives, my slight hope is that Schumacher gets another year, but I find it hard to work up too much enthusiasm.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Sounds like Haas' choice is Ricciardo or Schumacher or maybe supersub Hulkenburg.

From a commercial point of view Ricciardo is probably the more marketable of the three.

[bathurst77]

If Dan wants a future in F1 he has to go to HAAS. They really want him and he will be their #1. They will prepare the car and build the team how he wants it.

A year or 2 RACING for a mid-back team is better than hidden away hoping the current drivers retire in another team. Especially when the drivers are showing no indication they will, and there is no promise he would get the nod.

No pressure or expectations in a backmarker. He can find his form again. And if he can "Do a Russell" and get better results than the car should do, he will be back in demand. If not..... well he was finished already.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

If Dan wants a future in F1 he has to go to HAAS. They really want him and he will be their #1. They will prepare the car and build the team how he wants it.

A year or 2 RACING for a mid-back team is better than hidden away hoping the current drivers retire in another team. Especially when the drivers are showing no indication they will, and there is no promise he would get the nod.

No pressure or expectations in a backmarker. He can find his form again. And if he can "Do a Russell" and get better results than the car should do, he will be back in demand. If not..... well he was finished already.

As I replied above it’s over.He’s done.He’s 33 and way past his peak.Don’t waste time thinking up scenarios that aren’t going to happen.