IMSA Race 61st Rolex 24 at Daytona - January 26th - 29th, 2023

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by joeb

Could this explain why MSR were so good on restarts?

Just getting caught up here and don't have much to add, except to poke fun at you..... I guess you didn't read the linked article

[broadrun96]

Joe has things to do and Cowboys gift shops to visit so he can't read that

[seanyb505]

Maybe has something to do with drinking 50,000 Busch lights?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Just getting caught up here and don't have much to add, except to poke fun at you..... I guess you didn't read the linked article

More like skimmed..... and it may have been on a different site

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by seanyb505

Maybe has something to do with drinking 50,000 Busch lights?

Originally Posted by Adam43

The fine is they have to drink 50k of Busch Light?! They came down hard on them.

Ole Mikey is a big Busch Light fan
https://racer.com/2021/05/31/pruett-...ry-beth-shank/

[Adam43]

Imagine if he’d take a swig of something nice while celebrating!

[PhilipR]

Originally Posted by bella

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this is a completely flawed, armchair way of looking at it. i have no idea who the guy is who has been banned from the paddock, but in this situation the buck would stop with the guy who told someone to do something against the rules. he may have fiddled with the software himself. the tyre guy who sets the pressures probably has no idea what the minimums are, much like the lads working on the car won't know the intricacies of the technical regs for their car. that's what engineers are for. your job is to do exactly what the engineer has asked for. and rightly the team owner is on probation for a few months to make sure they do in fact sort themselves out.

I was being simplistic in how I wrote it, but I meant to say I would guess top level people were aware and gave the go ahead , and they chose one person to take the fall for it where I imagine it was more people involved. The statement from MSR was also kind of vague - no way to tell if someone actually was fired or not

Originally Posted by bella

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potentially there's not much scope for them to do so once they've declared the race result official. and even if there was, you can't take the ceremonial win off a team and give it to someone else but you can take all of the stuff that has an effect on the future. you can take away the points, the prize money, you can tell a guy he's absolutely not welcome in the paddock for the foreseeable for implementing something so blatently against the rules.

they did exactly the right thing the right way if you ask me.

I see what you mean - but I slightly disagree. Think about it if it was a one of entry and not a championship team. If Ferrari, Toyota, Peugeot entered just the rolex and won in the same circumstances as MSR. They would not care about the championship points or penalties, they would be happy to keep the win and prestige that comes with it.
To discourage others doing similar in the future I think organisers need to take a strong stance against it.
Then again FIA and WEC did something similar with Proton in 2018-209. They were found to be outside the rules and lost all their points, but got to keep their wins including Le Mans. Not an easy situation

[Coach Ep]

I also wonder about MSR future prospects with Acura/Honda. Stuff like this will not go down easily with the Japanese folks as the saga has caused considerable embarrassment to the brand - it might backfire on MSR.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

I was being simplistic in how I wrote it, but I meant to say I would guess top level people were aware and gave the go ahead , and they chose one person to take the fall for it where I imagine it was more people involved. The statement from MSR was also kind of vague - no way to tell if someone actually was fired or not



I see what you mean - but I slightly disagree. Think about it if it was a one of entry and not a championship team. If Ferrari, Toyota, Peugeot entered just the rolex and won in the same circumstances as MSR. They would not care about the championship points or penalties, they would be happy to keep the win and prestige that comes with it.
To discourage others doing similar in the future I think organisers need to take a strong stance against it.
Then again FIA and WEC did something similar with Proton in 2018-209. They were found to be outside the rules and lost all their points, but got to keep their wins including Le Mans. Not an easy situation

Is there any prestige in the keeping the win, when they have been found cheating, fined and had points docked? How will their partners/sponsors view this?

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Is there any prestige in the keeping the win, when they have been found cheating, fined and had points docked? How will their partners/sponsors view this?

They'll get to quote/refer to the 2023 Daytona 24 Hour overall winners. The partners/sponsors will not be adding any asterisks or corrections unless they are forced to.

Internally might be a different matter with regards to contracts, but externally, MSR have truly got off lightly by keeping the win.

[Badlands99]

Feels to me that they 'have got away with it'
I think that IMSA have bottled it and have not shown all of the other teams that trying to gain an unfair advantage (cheating) by whatever means is not going to be accepted.
Surprised that they were not disqualified from the full results and possibly even bigger sanctions.

[PhilipR]

Some harsh words from WTR towards MSR regarding their behaviour after the data manipulation came out
Also there seems to be investigation if they were doing similar things last year as well

This might end up quite bad for MSR and I do not know how HPD feels about this all - might mess up the entire relationship

[PhilipR]

Originally Posted by Badlands99

Feels to me that they 'have got away with it'
I think that IMSA have bottled it and have not shown all of the other teams that trying to gain an unfair advantage (cheating) by whatever means is not going to be accepted.
Surprised that they were not disqualified from the full results and possibly even bigger sanctions.

I agree with you! If it was a one-off entry just for D24 and won in similar circumstances would be really happy to keep the win as they would not care about anything else

And let's be honest outside of the enthusiasts the general public will not care enough to call the team up on their behaviour

[J Jay]

Doonan is understandably, but frustratingly, being non-committal on the subject of MSR's Daytona penalty. It almost sounds like there was an agreement between IMSA and the manufacturers over the penalties applied.