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ACO Publish 2010 Le Mans Regulations
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General slowing down of the cars, and simpler boydwork around the rear. |
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Full tech regs here:
http://www.lemans-series.com/ml/imag...lemans2010.pdf My intial thought is that this is going to mean a complete re-design of the R15 rear end, right? |
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Disappointed about the tail light ruling - the R15 LED approach looked good, was an elegant solution to them not getting knocked out in a minor rear end shunt, and were a link to Audi brand values with the LEDs.
I'm not going to kick up a fuss until there's been a degree of thinking about it, but there's always a bit of a sigh when something which seemed sensibly innovative gets banned. |
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The bias towards diesel cars has not been addressed. Just makes the regs a joke.
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Can exit below wheel center line as I understand. The new reg simply states you must now cover all openings above wheel center line. But it's still free below.
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Oops. My apologies-bad choice of syntax. By opening up stuff, I meant their possiblities, not parts of the body. It will definitely close up the rear of the car; but to what extent and what will it do to the car's aero? The car will look alot different as well. What about the 908?
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The rule about the rear wheel centerline vents is kinda dumb, since almost every car is in violation of it if they were to be raced next year. It's not just the R15-the Acura ARX-02 is in violation, the Peugeot 908 is in violation, the various Lola and Oreca/Courage cars are, and even the Audi R8 and Bentley Speed 8(including those examples to show that this isn't a new issue at all!) are!. Everyone will have to modify the rear of their cars for next year if the ACO follows through with it-it's just a matter of degree.
And the LMP1 diesel rules of 930kgs minimum weight-does that change anything, since they had that min weight since the Spa LMS round? |
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The weight isn't the thing; it's the larger restrictor for petrol and GT1 engines and the smaller restrictor for diesels.
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Clarifcation(or at least a clearer explanation) of the proposed 2010 ACO rules here:
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...0-regulations/ Seems that Porsche's protest of Ferrari at LM brought about the rear wheel visibility deal for all cars. |
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I still think that this affects the R15 far more than anything else. There are just so many gills and grills and the rear of that thing! |
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No more than what the 908 or the R10 has-the R15 uses them more for areo than just having them there as on the 908 or the R10, IE using something that previously served no purpose.
Or could it be the ACO/IMSA's reaction to the Felipe Massa incident, since it seems to cover mostly the area immediately behind the rear tires(and seemingly contributes minimally to areodynamics)? |
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I am pretty sure that 908 and the R10 have no aero pieces on them that do not serve a purpose.
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Well, the Speed TV release seems to indicate that the ACO's main aim is the area immediately behind the rear wheels/wheel well. At Racecar Engineering's website, there's an article that actually has a fairly well detailed drawing of how the R15's rear aero works as far as the rear vents, which exhaust between the wheelwells, and not out them: http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...uncovered.html
I think that this may very well be a reaction to Massa's accident on the part of the ACO and IMSA, though with sportscars, such an incident is very unlikely. But then again, Porsche protested Ferrari on simiar gounds at Le Mans and won... |
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Who cares about a little bit of body work at the back of some cars, the main question with the new regs is will the petrol cars be back on equal terms with the deisels and will the racing be even better next year. The changes will cause the teams very little trouble and be bearly visible to the fans but if close and exciting racing is achieved by the ACO then attendance, sponsership and grid sizes will give the final verdict.
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