[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by sceptic

- Guns, gun clubs and other weapons

oh the joy... so no chance seeing this in BTCC

[RS67]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

And yet, the withdrawals we've already seen had significant insurance company backing?

Do we know how significant the backing is though? As far as PMR are concerned, I get the impression alot of their budget relies on hospitality.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

nobody is FORCED to consume it !!! does anyone really start smoking cos they saw Malboro or Rothmans in F1 ???? that's really ludicros

if one of the smaller parties comes out with a message to abolish all this restrictions and bans I am sure they will et a lot of votes

YES they do.

Attractive packaging attracts people to product.

The "unbranded" packaging with grisly images of some of the nasty things smoking can do to you puts some people off.

Tobacco sales are massively down on 10 years ago. In a generation or two the dreadful weed may be gone.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by RS67

Do we know how significant the backing is though? As far as PMR are concerned, I get the impression alot of their budget relies on hospitality.

Pretty much every commercial BTCC budget relies on hospitality. Generally only those who pay themselves, or get their Dad’s to pay, don’t.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Do we know how significant the backing is though? As far as PMR are concerned, I get the impression alot of their budget relies on hospitality.

Not sure how significant in terms of finance.

But - the bulk of livery on the PMR cars is given over to an insurance company, and they have withdrawn because of the inability to meet hospitality demands.

It might be 2+2=?, but I don't see insurance companies being a solution in current circumstances.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It might be 2+2=?, but I don't see insurance companies being a solution in current circumstances.

Sure about that?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1307213/car-insurance-uk-shock-savings-premium-costs-claims-decline/amp&ved=0ahUKEwi8sdHMm8bqAhUHecAKHT98AGcQyM8BCDQwBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZXYsMyYT72tqkMbXgI0lC&ampcf=1

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Sure about that?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1307213/car-insurance-uk-shock-savings-premium-costs-claims-decline/amp&ved=0ahUKEwi8sdHMm8bqAhUHecAKHT98AGcQyM8BCDQwBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZXYsMyYT72tqkMbXgI0lC&ampcf=1

Yes, still sure.

Why would insurance firms take a short term, temporary gain and gamble it on increasing marketing by sinking their money into a sport with an uncertain future profile?

Particularly when the insurance market is more complex than simple figures from a narrow cross section of the entire market.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Yes, still sure.

Why would insurance firms take a short term, temporary gain and gamble it on increasing marketing by sinking their money into a sport with an uncertain future profile?

Particularly when the insurance market is more complex than simple figures from a narrow cross section of the entire market.

Probably because they are insurance companies and taking such gambles is what they do for a living.
RCIB still seem quite happy to be dishing out their sponsorship.

[thetool]

Originally Posted by RS67

Sure about that?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...XgI0lC&ampcf=1

Two things:

a) https://urlclean.com Link to the actual website not the google hidden link
b) The Express website is an horrendous source for information

[RS67]

Originally Posted by thetool

Two things:

a) https://urlclean.com Link to the actual website not the google hidden link
b) The Express website is an horrendous source for information

3. The Express was one of many media outlets reporting the same story.
4. It was the actual link, know idea why it didn't work.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by RS67

Probably because they are insurance companies and taking such gambles is what they do for a living.
RCIB still seem quite happy to be dishing out their sponsorship.

The very last things insurance companies do is take gambles. It’s all about assessing and spreading risk, and re-insurance.

[S griffin]

I seem to remember Rob Austin being sponsored by E Lites a few seasons. That's probably the closest we're going to get to tobacco sponsorship in the series

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

who the heck cares? those sponsors used to throw alot of money in motorsport, which was good for the sport, the drivers and spectators

just cause some activists who don't care about the sport to start with moan is just ludicrus to bow to them, it's just stupid trying to appease those weirdos

Other sponsors care as they don't want to be associated with a product like cigarettes in the main. Many fans care. I've seen my fathers health decline because of smoking and he's the generation that were fed adverts showing smoking as something "real men" did.

Let's get cocaine dealers throwing some money into the sport to advertise their products while we're at it. After all the only consideration is that it's good for motorsport and nothing else.

[KA]

Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

O
Let's get cocaine dealers throwing some money into the sport to advertise their products while we're at it. After all the only consideration is that it's good for motorsport and nothing else.

Been there, done that.....

https://drivetribe.com/p/the-btcc-te...TdahGHgDRb1IxA

Seriously though, I can't believe this is a debate that's rearing it's ugly head again in 2020- the tobacco industry has been largely put beyond the pale in sports marketing, and it's not coming back anytime soon in the BTCC. I've had a similar family experience to you with regard to smoking, and I agree with you 100%- in the present day, bringing a tobacco company on board will probably lose you more sponsors elsewhere than it's worth.

[Sodemo]

I personally never much had a problem with tobacco advertising in motorsport. It allowed for some great liveries. Myself, I have never smoked and never will (i'm 39 now) and tobacco advertising was primarly done to get existing smokers to switch brands, not to entice new smokers to start "sparking up".

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by KA

Seriously though, I can't believe this is a debate that's rearing it's ugly head again in 2020- the tobacco industry has been largely put beyond the pale in sports marketing, and it's not coming back anytime soon in the BTCC. I've had a similar family experience to you with regard to smoking, and I agree with you 100%- in the present day, bringing a tobacco company on board will probably lose you more sponsors elsewhere than it's worth.

To be fair, it wasn't a debate per se, more of posting by one member who often seems to press the Submit Reply button before engaging his brain.

[S griffin]

It would be near pointless anyway, it’s all plain packaging now. Hardly gonna help people identify with a cigarette brand now

[Matt K]

Tobacco will never return to sponsoring the motorsport for various reasons. First of all, as some of you rightly said, that would put many other sponsors off. It is probably due to the fact that a few decades ago (1970s, 80s, 90s) smoking was a big part of culture. Everyone smoked. You could see artists smoking during TV interviews, businessmen smoking in fancy restaurants, people watching BTCC races, too. Nowadays, smoking is less of a 'culture thing' and it is much more associated with health deterioration, bad effects to enivronment and so on and so forth. Things like IQOS and e-cigarettes are slowly being more popular than traditional cigarettes. Therefore, it's no chance to see tobacco brands being sponsors of racing teams. Who gives a damn? Probably society and all the 'norms' that you may argue with but still no one is able to change it.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I personally never much had a problem with tobacco advertising in motorsport. It allowed for some great liveries. Myself, I have never smoked and never will (i'm 39 now) and tobacco advertising was primarly done to get existing smokers to switch brands, not to entice new smokers to start "sparking up".

^ this

I never smoked and grew up on motorsport filled with the most succesful teams having the likes of Bastos, Camel, Windfiled, Malboro, Rothmans etc

and if the likes of Jordan, Plato, Hill etc etc would have a strong tabacco sponsor nobody would mind, certanly the drivers themselves

or say one of those would sponsor the likes of Andy Priaux, Robb Huff to return to BTCC for example I bet nobody here would complain about that

[Adam43]

I really can’t see the problem with banning advertising of something that is so bad for you. Your example is relevant to you. For others it will legitimise it more, make them think about it more, increase the chance of trying it. It gives the right impression to have these restrictions. As it does with other similar bans.

And no, it isn’t banned like class A drugs, but then it is different from both it’s impact, but also it’s historical position. That might be a little odd and inconsistent in some ways, but context is required when considering.

Yes, some of the liveries ae indeed ace.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

and if the likes of Jordan, Plato, Hill etc etc would have a strong tabacco sponsor nobody would mind,

There are definitely a lot of people who would mind.

https://ash.org.uk/category/information-and-resources/advertising-promotion-sponsorship/

"Comprehensive bans on tobacco advertising are important to reduce youth smoking rates and to support adult smokers to quit. Partial bans are ineffective because companies move their marketing activities to formats not covered by law. In general, tobacco consumption falls more quickly in countries with comprehensive advertising bans than without them."

[RS67]

Originally Posted by peebee2

The very last things insurance companies do is take gambles. It’s all about assessing and spreading risk, and re-insurance.

It is still a gamble. The odds are just stacked in their favour.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

and if the likes of Jordan, Plato, Hill etc etc would have a strong tabacco sponsor nobody would mind, certanly the drivers themselves

You really do write a load of b*ll*cks sometimes!

How on earth do you know that the drivers would welcome tobacco sponsorship? In fact, I do believe that Plato has only recently, after struggling to do so for years, finally managed to pack in smoking. I fon't think that he would appreciate driving a mobile billboard advertising something he has only just stopped!

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by RS67

It is still a gamble. The odds are just stacked in their favour.

Trust me, there is zero gambling involved. Actuarially.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Trust me, there is zero gambling involved. Actuarially.

Try looking up the definitions of both and then you will see the similarities. Like I said as far as insurance is concerned they just have the odds stacked in their favour.