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23 Feb 2023, 01:52 (Ref:4144605) | #151 | ||
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Great news - will have the volume button ready to manage Croft but will be great to see the testing and how they all look. |
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23 Feb 2023, 07:39 (Ref:4144614) | #152 | |
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In action this morning -
Red Bull – Verstappen Ferrari – Sainz Mercedes – Russell Alpine – Gasly McLaren – Piastri Alfa Romeo – Zhou Aston Martin – Drugovich Haas – Hulkenberg AlphaTauri – Tsunoda Williams – Albon Drugovich broke down on his out lap, leading to a red flag until half past. |
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23 Feb 2023, 08:52 (Ref:4144617) | #153 | ||
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Really hope it's not another tedious season of Costcappen and his mates disappearing off into the distance
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23 Feb 2023, 16:09 (Ref:4144667) | #155 | ||
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Good thing is that Red Bull were fastest again and the car looked like a real handful..
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23 Feb 2023, 16:22 (Ref:4144671) | #157 | ||
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Leaderboard so far today:
Verstappen, Red Bull, 1m32.837s - 153 laps Alonso, Aston Martin, 1m32.866s - 57 laps Sainz, Ferrari, 1m33.253s - 72 laps Leclerc, Ferrari, 1m33.257s - 57 laps Norris, McLaren, 1m33.762s - 39 laps Hamilton, Mercedes, 1m33.508s - 75 laps Albon, Williams, 1m33.671s - 74 laps Zhou, Alfa Romeo, 1m33.723s - 67 laps Russell, Mercedes, 1m34.174s - 69 laps Sargeant, Williams, 1m34.324s - 73 laps Hulkenberg, Haas, 1m34.424s - 51 laps Bottas, Alfa Romeo, 1m34.558s - 71 laps De Vries, AlphaTauri, 1m34.559s - 79 laps Drugovich, Aston Martin, 1m34.564s - 40 laps Tsunoda, AlphaTauri, 1m34.671s - 46 laps Gasly, Alpine, 1m34.822s - 60 laps Ocon, Alpine, 1m34.871s - 48 laps Piastri, McLaren, 1m34.888s - 52 laps Magnussen, Haas, 1m35.087s - 49 laps for comparison (if one can compare even at this stage, ignoring tires, test programs etc), Leclerc's fastest here last year (in Q3) was 1:30.558 so more than 2s faster then max' fastest lap today. but with a couple of days running followed by the race here next week im thinking many of the teams will be able to find that extra time and the cars will start the season faster then last year? Max lap count today seems pretty epic as well! |
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23 Feb 2023, 18:19 (Ref:4144691) | #158 | ||
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my bad, those were the times from earlier on in the day.
end of day leaderboard: Verstappen, Red Bull, 1m32.837s - 157 laps Alonso, Aston Martin, 1m32.866s - 60 laps Sainz, Ferrari, 1m33.253s - 72 laps Leclerc, Ferrari, 1m33.257s - 64 laps Norris, McLaren, 1m33.462s - 40 laps Hamilton, Mercedes, 1m33.508s - 83 laps Albon, Williams, 1m33.671s - 74 laps Zhou, Alfa Romeo, 1m33.723s - 67 laps Russell, Mercedes, 1m34.174s - 69 laps Sargeant, Williams, 1m34.324s - 75 laps Hulkenberg, Haas, 1m34.424s - 51 laps Bottas, Alfa Romeo, 1m34.558s - 71 laps De Vries, AlphaTauri, 1m34.559s - 85 laps Drugovich, Aston Martin, 1m34.564s - 40 laps Tsunoda, AlphaTauri, 1m34.671s - 46 laps Gasly, Alpine, 1m34.822s - 60 laps Ocon, Alpine, 1m34.871s - 53 laps Piastri, McLaren, 1m34.888s - 52 laps Magnussen, Haas, 1m35.087s - 57 laps |
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23 Feb 2023, 19:42 (Ref:4144699) | #159 | |
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While it's seductive to look at the best laps per car over the day or session, I think it is "mostly" meaningless to do so. Everyone might be on different programs, different fuel loads, different tires, etc.
I am sure someone is going to be doing data analysis and try to remove (or normalize) as many variables as they can over the three days to try to extract indicators of true pace out of the cars. I think the key indicators (if there are any) with respect to pre-season testing is things like... number of laps run (mostly were able to run reliably and are they working through their entire testing program) and who had problems (McLaren and AM I think?) and are those problems small or big (nobody seems to be stuck in the garage) Richard |
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23 Feb 2023, 22:32 (Ref:4144711) | #160 | ||
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of course we will see but im not so convinced that the first day of testing is meaningless anymore.
for sure they have their programs and working out the reliability side of things, playing around with new tires, working on their starts and pitstops long runs short runs etc etc. and while some cars launched early Feb, several were just 'revealed a little over a week ago (in what appears to have been first race of the season trim), they did their promo days, are now in Bahrain for testing, and they are not going home because they race here next week....a 2-3 week turnaround time from launch to race is nuts! colour me overly excited for sure but this is new territory...i think and hope! |
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24 Feb 2023, 00:52 (Ref:4144718) | #161 | ||
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Personally I don't get TOO excited either way re pre-season (or any) testing times due to variations in what teams are doing, what rubber is on etc etc.Always an interesting exercise to see who is doing what however.
It would be great if we could all be there and see how the cars are being driven - Anthony Davidson had some good insights after standing on the side of the track and that's where testing can be instructive - but we can't all be there so the TV pundits and times are what we have to go with. One thing that I found interesting is the look of many of the cars (but not all) around the engine cover area and how some of them have "bulked up" there (at least visually). Don't know what that's about but it gives a sleeker profile but from the rear (or rear quarter) they look chunky. Quite a change from last year for some of them. .......and yeah, picking which team is which in the distance with some of the kinda similar liveries won't be easy, at least to start with anyway. |
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24 Feb 2023, 02:13 (Ref:4144721) | #163 | ||
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...sscbKLrdO.html It bodes well for Red Bull. I wonder to what extent other teams can out develop them, given the restrictions on the champions, including their punishment. Perhaps also with rules stability, other teams can spring more David VS Goliath moments, with podiums at least, e.g. Aston, although 'I wonder' and 'perhaps' are typical words until we actually get a race weekend. At least there's only a week to wait, though. |
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In terms of my comments, there is certainly nothing wrong with referring to Red Bull's crimes recently, it might be hard to stomach for some but they exceeded the cost cap, quite simple. What is interesting (but not surprising) is the token penalty handed out seems to be just that. No affect at all on performance. |
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Sadly, given the circumstances under which he 'won' both his titles then there will always be understandable mocking of him and his team. It's a shame because he's a supreme driver but at a time when F1 appears to be sacrificing sporting integrity for contrived drama for the Netflix generation he is very much the poster boy for the non-sense. |
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Can't draw too many conclusions from testing, but good to Fred up there in the Aston. Good to see the porpoising problems sorted too.
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Meanwhile out on track Sainz topped the morning times.... Max sat out the morning session, then got in the car for the afternoon playtime, and within a few laps eclipsed Sainz time by just over 0.6, came into the pits and went out on medium tyres ( as Sainz had used to set his time), and quickly went faster.... now 0.836 faster.
The car looks very stable. Of course it is only day 2 of testing, and all the usual provisos of different programmes, modes, tyres, fuel loads etc, but it does seem its advantage Max / Red Bull on paper. |
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McLaren are sounding very gloomy about results from testing this year's car so far. Has their development of the car led them down a cul de sac?
On top of this I heard on the testing coverage that the Mercedes engine has also not been able to be developed as much as the other engine manufacturers under the rules because it has been so reliable. Doesn't bode well for McLaren this year. Hopefully they have an Einstein moment in the near future. |
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So despite having absolutely zero doubt that Verstappen is the best driver in Formula 1 at the moment, and has been for the last two years as well, it would give far more of a sour taste if he were to win the title for a third year running than it did when Hamilton or Vettel dominated in recent years, because it just doesn't feel like Red Bull deserve it. And acts like boycotting Sky because Ted Kravitz dared to mention the farce of the Abu Dhabi finale (which wasn't their fault at all but was still a farce), or Horner blaming the other teams' accusations for 'children of our employees getting bullied at school' makes them even more dislikeable at the moment. It rarely happens as I usually follow F1 as a neutral fan (which I was in 2021), but on this occasion I confess I have turned against Red Bull and will be supporting Mercedes and Ferrari in 2023. |
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