New Volkswagen F3 engine to race this year

strider · 18 Jul 2007, 18:42 (Ref:1966758)

It has been announced in Germany that a new Volkswagen F3 engine will race in the F3 Euroseries later this year. The full story is here.

Although it doesn't say so there, the thinking is that the engine has been developed by Spiess.

It will be interesting to see how it goes. VW are brave to take on Mercedes, but don't forget that it took Mercedes two or three years to reach their present position.

Personally, I'm all in favour of anything that stops Formula 3 becoming Formula Mercedes.

runshaw · 18 Jul 2007, 19:10 (Ref:1966788)

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Originally Posted by strider

Personally, I'm all in favour of anything that stops Formula 3 becoming Formula Mercedes.

I think it already is Formula Mercedes. All the races in British and Euro F3 this year have been won with Mercedes! Makes you wonder what Holzer is doing with an Opel this year.

ss_collins · 18 Jul 2007, 20:18 (Ref:1966864)

Spiess are developing the engine we reported this two months ago.

Valker · 18 Jul 2007, 20:30 (Ref:1966872)

Any idea if that engine will be available outside the Euroseries next year?

ss_collins · 18 Jul 2007, 20:51 (Ref:1966898)

That was the impression I was given in '09 for sure

Alex K · 18 Jul 2007, 21:18 (Ref:1966930)

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Originally Posted by runshaw

Makes you wonder what Holzer is doing with an Opel this year.

His dad is Opel customer and tuner.

Every race has been won by Merc, because all the best British teams have decided to go with them not NBE. Which is shame... Money I guess...

TWRv12 · 18 Jul 2007, 22:23 (Ref:1966965)

Will it have the new super duper 3D VW logo?

Go_For_Pole · 19 Jul 2007, 07:10 (Ref:1967141)

Interesting how VW-Audi is making noises about developing young talent like Mercedes, this could really benefit the Euroseries if money is coming in from both brands.

knighty · 19 Jul 2007, 07:26 (Ref:1967156)

bit of a long shot but does any one know the bore and stroke of this new VW F3 motor?....or does anyone know what VW donor engine that Spiess are using?....does anyone recognise the block?.......I'm thinking it will be a 1600 that will get stroked out?

the main reason that Mercedes are so competitive in F3 is because they have a shed load of torque compared to the opels, Renaults and Hondas.........all originating from their small bore and very long stroke engine layout.......if I remember rightly the merc F3 motor uses a 82.5mm bore.......which is stupidly small for a 2 litre motor........but it obviously works

I wish the LMP1 engine builders would learn from this and build a V12 along the same lines.......the torque would be a great help in taking on the Diesels

ss_collins · 19 Jul 2007, 11:26 (Ref:1967341)

sorry some of the oter information on the engine I can't reveal but it is out there if you look in the right places

dave not neil · 19 Jul 2007, 12:07 (Ref:1967375)

It'll be interesting to see what NBE come back with next year then, if anything.

This years A class engine will surely become the new B engine, in a de tuned form I suppose.

They are advertising for an Engine Designer in Autosport, so maybe they will try and challenge the Merc next year?!

JohnMiller · 19 Jul 2007, 12:11 (Ref:1967382)

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Originally Posted by dave not neil

This years A class engine will surely become the new B engine, in a de tuned form I suppose.

What's wrong with the current B engine with the larger restrictor?

dave not neil · 19 Jul 2007, 15:46 (Ref:1967591)

Its old and out dated. Plus it would mean dallara having to produce new bell housings and engine mountings to get it in the car, whereas the current A class already fits.

+ I have it from good sources that this will be the case.

ss_collins · 22 Jul 2007, 08:14 (Ref:1969688)

Any one know anything on the new Toyota engine?

ss_collins · 26 Jul 2007, 11:06 (Ref:1973820)

pic and more infor on the VW lump in Autosport

Last2LiftOff · 2 Aug 2007, 12:33 (Ref:1979033)

I didn't know VW and Toyota were in, or even thinking about the F3 business until this thread. As a fan of both, thanks. I will follow the progress with interest. Carry on.

Alex K · 2 Aug 2007, 18:47 (Ref:1979276)

Toyota engines compete in Japan and Spain.

Valker · 2 Aug 2007, 19:06 (Ref:1979286)

...and Asia but new engines in Japanese F3 are very different to those used in Spain and Asia

Adri_tifosi · 2 Aug 2007, 19:59 (Ref:1979327)

This year the engine is renamed with FIAT but is the same Toyota engine developed by piedrafita Sport

In Spain the engine was Toyota By Piedrafita and in Japan is another engine , Toyota By TOM´S

strider · 2 Aug 2007, 22:01 (Ref:1979429)

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Originally Posted by Valker

...and Asia but new engines in Japanese F3 are very different to those used in Spain and Asia

Exactly. The latest Toyota engine, which only a few drivers have in All-Japan F3, is very useful indeed.

spider · 3 Aug 2007, 08:36 (Ref:1979698)

a driver, who's a pal of mine has been approached about doing the last 4 rounds with the VW...so they're scouting drivers as we speak...

Alex K · 3 Aug 2007, 10:22 (Ref:1979753)

Yeah, good to know.

Will they back drivers they want to approach, and do you know what champ's they want to participate in?

spider · 3 Aug 2007, 11:39 (Ref:1979814)

Euro F3, and drivers don't need a budget...

ss_collins · 3 Aug 2007, 12:28 (Ref:1979840)

Going to be the next fashionable thing, next year the must haves will be a Dallara F308, VW engine, Alpinestars racewear, spiky hair etc...

But should be a great scrap to see the VW and Merc lumps going hhead to head - I just want to see the New FIAT (Abarth), proper (Jap) spec Honda, and Jap Toyota engines racing agains the German metal...

Some more chassis would be nice too.

andy97 · 3 Aug 2007, 12:52 (Ref:1979856)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

Some more chassis would be nice too.

Agree, I'm bored with Formula Dallara, I'd really like to see more Mygales, Lolas & even Ralts out there with different engine packages....engineers need to develop too, and drivers need to learn how to develop different cars.

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