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| Current: 2.65L turbocharged methanol-fed purebred V8s (800hp, $$) |
   
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9 | 33.33% |
| Turbocharged gasoline 4-cylinders (WRC, about 500hp $) |
  
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1 | 3.70% |
| Turbocharged stock-block V6 engines, about 800hp ($) |
  
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3 | 11.11% |
| 4.0L V8s, IRL $$ |
  
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1 | 3.70% |
| 3.0L V10s, Formula 1 ($$$$$) |
  
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5 | 18.52% |
| Multiple formulas (800hp, old USAC-style, see below) |
  
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4 | 14.81% |
| Other? |
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4 | 14.81% |
| Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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21 Dec 2002, 18:07 (Ref:454981)
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2005 engine poll
Everyone who makes a choice in the poll had better sign on to the final proposal, even if their choice doesn't win.
The "multiple engines" choice is the one I've talked about, allowing the current 2.65L turbo V8s, along with turbocharged 3.5L stock-block V6s, and naturally aspirated 6.0L pushrod V8s to all compete, with performance equalized through different boost levels. Poll will remain up for 3 weeks. Last edited by Lee Janotta; 21 Dec 2002 at 18:13. |
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21 Dec 2002, 18:18 (Ref:454984)
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The "multiple" choice, BTW, counts as half a vote for the current engines and half a vote for the V6s... If we don't end up with a clear consensus out of this, I'll probably hold a runoff, or the proposal might suggest a couple ideas.
Feel free to share your reasons for voting one way or another! Last edited by Lee Janotta; 21 Dec 2002 at 18:23. |
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21 Dec 2002, 23:46 (Ref:455126)
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well if you run multiple engines it might turn out like world superbikes where one type of engine out performs the other. Just a thought
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21 Dec 2002, 23:52 (Ref:455131)
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The forthcomming 1.4L rotary, peripheral ported and turbocharged with minimum 800hp!
 I like the current formula with a tad more power, anything similar is good too. Doing the ~3.0L V6 thing allows manufacturers to claim their race engines are the same as their production engines. |
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22 Dec 2002, 01:36 (Ref:455190)
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I like the current engine formula as it is unique to international motorsport.
V10 normally-aspirated F1 engines can bugger off. They sound terrible and belong in F1 only. Plus they will cost a fortune, something which CART can ill-afford. |
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22 Dec 2002, 02:54 (Ref:455227)
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I like the current formulae. It's what Champcar racing is all about isn't it. And...it HAS to be a turbo. It can't be anything else.
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22 Dec 2002, 03:29 (Ref:455240)
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I went with "other".
I like the turbos and the ability to control the hp figures from one year to the next by simply adjusting boost. No need for occasional expensive displacement changes ala IRL and F1. I'd opt for a 1.5 liter turbocharged V12. |
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22 Dec 2002, 08:38 (Ref:455325)
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What is a stock block V6 in this poll? - Alfa Romeo, Mazda, Toyota etc make some quite nice alloy block, 24 valve DOHC (per cylinder bank) V6 engines - that would be good, but if it means stone age push rod V6's I don't see the point.
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22 Dec 2002, 13:35 (Ref:455474)
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I like the idea of a split formula, similar to 1980s F1. Indeed it was the one I suggested many months ago, as a way of utilising both sets of equipment. I think the current F1 engines only sound terirble because of the traction control, I can't wait to hear Ford turbos roar again.
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22 Dec 2002, 15:20 (Ref:455520)
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22 Dec 2002, 16:07 (Ref:455546)
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I quite like the idea of multiple engine choices.
Would b like in sportscars, where there is no fixed type of engine, and teams can experiment with the different engines to find the best solution. |
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22 Dec 2002, 16:20 (Ref:455559)
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I just foresee the multiple-engine formula as being difficult to equalize. And traction control would become increasingly hard to police.
If it were up to me, I'd keep the status quo. But in today's economic climate, perhaps that's not the most feasible way to go. The major engine manufacturers across the globe may find that the V6 is more appealling to their corporate goals. At any rate, I certainly vote that we keep the turbos. That's what makes a ChampCar a ChampCar! |
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23 Dec 2002, 05:36 (Ref:455955)
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O.k. so that's modern alloy block overhead cam V6's.... thanks for the clarification Lee.
Nothing wrong with the current Turbo-V8 engines, nothing at all..... except there's only one supplier. If a stock block V6 based formula can help that, it's a good thing, but you'd want that manufacturer commitment first, before you changed engines. While I like the idea of multi-format, equalisation is always going to be a problem. Never liked V10's..... if you can't build a proper V12 the way god intended..... you might as well stick with V6's and V8's
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25 Dec 2002, 23:53 (Ref:457404)
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Personally Id go with the F1 V10s myself.
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26 Dec 2002, 03:20 (Ref:457453)
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I would go for a combo of #1 and #3.SO for me it is other.
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26 Dec 2002, 03:48 (Ref:457456)
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Tom Anderson suggests turbo I-4s running on gas.
They would make around the same power, and be cheaper, as well as attracting more manufacturers. I want to see Formula 1 turbo engine regs from the early 80s myself. That would be sweet! |
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28 Dec 2002, 22:08 (Ref:459143)
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i think current engines, maybe at 2.5 liters w/ maximum boost of 3 bar and maxmimum 15,000 rpm, cart supplying the ecu for no tc. stock derived 3.0 v6's would be interesting but i dont know if you would want some cars running methanol and others gas.
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29 Dec 2002, 01:35 (Ref:459304)
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Somebody should'a bought ya a new "shift" button for Christmas!
You're right when suggesting that the fuels must be standard. |
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