Worst Driver Ever

[Setantra]

Rosset? I completely forgot about him. Footwork (Arrows) fired him. Tyrrell inherited him. BAR bought out Tyrrell. The End.

[Setantra]

Originally Posted by Hazza

Worst driver hmmm... De Ceseris early in his career maybe?

No No No. De Cesaris was a good driver. He persevered. He drove for Jordan. Not worthy of this list.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by speedbump

Who was that driver in Monaco a year or two ago who crashed a vintage car in a exhibition run ???
He's got my vote.

I think it is Sato.

[Setantra]

This should cover all the bases

Setantra's Big Ole List Of Bad Drivers

Phillippe Adams
Giovanni Amati
Marco Apicella
Fabrizio Barbazza
Paolo Barilla
Paul Belmondo
Olivier Beretta

and more...... Go to f1rejects.com

[Setantra]

Originally Posted by Snips1

Yeah and what did Verstoppen do??

Yep, not much better at all, Jackie Stivert the boss, was so happy that Jos had sad that the car was "understeering", but hey Magnussen had complained about that the entire year, and yet, this englishman who believes he is so great doesn't even listen to him.....

By the way, Magnussen's accomplishments in ALMS, LM (2004 class winner) Petit LM class winner his Grand Am driving and so on, makes uo for what he di not accomplish in F1

Verstappen didn't do much. He was mediocre. This proves the point. Magnussen was replaced by an average driver. And as for that Bernd Schneider wasn't a good F1 driver, and he has one of the best records in Touring Car history. Granted he has Hakkinen to contend with now. Similar thing with Lehto. Anyway, this thread isn't about what drivers have done outside F1, its based on what they did when they were in the pinnacle of motorsport.

[Kicking-back]

Verstappen finished on the podium in his first season of F1. Good car yes, but "mediocre" drivers don't finish in the top three of a Grand Prix.

Anyone who scores big points is by definition good.

Unless you are a very harsh critic.


As for Bernd Schneider - no-one would have achieved anything with that Zakspeed.

[Setantra]

Good points. I retract my....hang on a second! Verstappen was in a Benetton Ford B194. The second best car on the grid (or the best maybe).

and Schneider wasn't great. he wasn't bad.

[Setantra]

A Message From Our Friends At The FIA

Let us not forget that if we were in the cars, we would in turn, also be diabolical. To make it into motorsport is tricky ebough. So, lets try and keep this in context. Worst F1 Driver ever, but they are near the top of the game getting in. For that (Unless they're fuelled by money) they deserve our respect and admiration.

[Invincible]

Surely a bad F1 driver is one that was abysmal in a competitive F1 car, therefore you could include such people as:

Michael Andretti, Hector Rebaque and here's a possible controversial one...Antonio Pizzonia, I don't think he was the driver I saw in Formula 3.

[Setantra]

I agree on Pizzonia. One season in Jaguar. Rubbish. His races for Williams were good, but then he had the equipment.

[N I Tram]

Schneider was a lot better than mediocre in F1, once you compare his results to those of his team-mates (Ghinzani and Suzuki). A driver's achievements outside F1 often tell you a lot about why they didn't succeed in F1, and all too often it isn't because of a lack of talent. Schneider, Bobby Rahal, Jo Winklehock, Gabriele Tarquini, Alex Zanardi, Eric van der Poele - all great drivers who didn't get proper chances in F1.

My choice would have to be Deletraz - 7 seconds behind his team-mate in an 80-second lap? Lapped 10 times in 60 laps on his debut? Stalled on the racing line by letting the revs drop too low? Pathetic.

[Setantra]

No argument there. Zanardi was excellent in Touring Cars and Champ Cars.
Pity about F1, then

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

Lapped 10 times in 60 laps on his debut?

Means he would lap Volonterio 10 times in the same period.

Deletraz confuses me hugely, in that he had a couple of podia in his first F3000 season, so he could not have been entirely clueless. Unless he was using a 3.5 litre engine or something. That's a better record than many more vaunted F1 drivers. And Philippe Adams won a couple of British F3 races, although he was in the formula for so long that's perhaps not so surprising or such a great achievement.

[Setantra]

Lets be honest Deletraz was beeeeeerrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttttal

[Setantra]

Deletraz was awful, but he was outclassed totally by Rosset. Money powers F1 now, not engines

[Kicking-back]

Money has always powered all forms of motorsport.

Racing cars don't run for free.

[krt917]

Originally Posted by mike_slh

Take off Magnussen and add Alex Yooung,he was a joke

I think that a bad recent F1 driver is a lot better than a bad F1 driver from the 50's-70s. As Ensign has shown, there are a number of candidates from that period who were much worse than the worst we have now. A bad F1 driver these days is still usuaully reasonably handy at pedalling other racing cars. Alex Yoong is a good example. Off the pace in F1 (by a second or so), but able to get straight into TGP battles at Monaco with a Lotus 72 - whixh was older than some of the opposition. He very nearly won.

Originally Posted by Xpunk75

2.Micheal Andretti (he hardly finished an F1 race)

Disagree with this choice - Michael's mistake was not committing to F1 and Europe enough. Towards the end, he started to get it together and managed a podium at Monza. And he was in a team that was very much used to working with their number 1 of the time, who wasn't too shoddy!

[N I Tram]

Did Michael ever outqualify Senna? Hakkinen managed it first time.

I'd agree though with the view that the overall standard at the back of the grid has been higher in recent years than it was in teh past. Other than some of the paydrivers in the years of massive pre-qualifying fields just over a decade ago, even guys like Mazzacane and Yoong could've probably scored regular points in the early days.

[Javi]

Olivier Beretta was more than respectable at Larousse, and he´s become a great sportscar driver. He should not be in that list

[Setantra]

Interesting views. Much and all as I hate that song (Stacy's Mom). I've gotta agree with you.

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

Other than some of the paydrivers in the years of massive pre-qualifying fields just over a decade ago, even guys like Mazzacane and Yoong could've probably scored regular points in the early days.

Ah, but are they closer to the front because the cars are easier to drive, or maybe because there is more equalization between chassis? Probably does not apply to the hapless Signor Volonterio, as he was slow in a 250F with which Fangio was winning races, but someone like (say) Joe James was commensurably worse off from a competition basis than someone like (say) Lavaggi. The former was in a car that was 10 secs off the pace, the latter 4.

Yoong in the 72 was interesting, but he was helped hugely by attrition and by a number of drivers not being interested in competition per se. But kudos to him for giving 'er a go.

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

Did Michael ever outqualify Senna? Hakkinen managed it first time.

Mexico 1992, TGF 3rd/Senna 6th
Spain 1992, TGF 2nd/Senna 3rd
San Marino 1993, TGF 3rd/Senna 4th.
Monaco 1993, TGF 2nd/Senna 3rd.
Canada 1993, TGF 3rd/Senna 8th (customer Ford engine on high speed track...)
Silverstone 1993, TGF 3rd/Senna 4th
Höckenheim 1993, TGF 3rd/Senna 4th
Hungaroring 1993, TGF 3rd/Senna 4th
Spa-Francorchamps 1993, TGF 3rd/Senna 5th

Well that's about it really...

[Super Tourer]

I think he means Michael Andretti....

[Super Tourer]

BTW - he didn't , Andretti was much closer to Senna (in grid slot) until Canada and then it all went to pieces.

[ASCII Man]

Ah...
I wasn't following really...