2010 Le Mans Intercontinental Cup

[joeb]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Noooooo! I was looking forward to hearing that car (and my friends) one more time before the rules changes!

At one point Signature Plus talked about doing the LMIC so there was a still a chance for an v12 at Petit, but I think I remember hearing that Signature changed their minds and are not doing the LMIC now.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by joeb

At one point Signature Plus talked about doing the LMIC so there was a still a chance for an v12 at Petit, but I think I remember hearing that Signature changed their minds and are not doing the LMIC now.

i hope they are still going to enter. where did you hear about them pulling out?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

i hope they are still going to enter. where did you hear about them pulling out?

I seem to remember something from the rlm lemans week broadcasts, or maybe I am thinking of some other team. I would love to see that black/white livery in person if they do make plm.

[NaBUru38]

Murphy the Bear says that, after the debacle at Le Mans two weeks ago, Peugeot may not be entering the Petit Le Mans this year.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Murphy the Bear says that, after the debacle at Le Mans two weeks ago, Peugeot may not be entering the Petit Le Mans this year.

This has been discussed at length in the Peugeot 2010-2011 topic. In the French press Quesnel has confirmed that Peugeot will still do all 3 rounds of the ILMC: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...50#post2720250

[JAG]

Looking at the Portimao grid I think it proves the ILMC will take away something from regular LMS grids.

I realise budget and sponsorship reach need to be taken into account but for major privateer teams like Rebellion I can't see much point in competing for the LMS title and forsaking the ILMC.

Some may think differently but causing the occasional upset and being best of the rest in the ILMC seems more attractive than winning the LMS outright.

PS I don't think this applies to the same degree in the ALMS as it's such a different market.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by JAG

PS I don't think this applies to the same degree in the ALMS as it's such a different market.

Mostly because there aren't many top flight prototype efforts left in ALMS, though. And the ILMC virtually guarantees that they won't come back.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Mostly because there aren't many top flight prototype efforts left in ALMS, though. And the ILMC virtually guarantees that they won't come back.

I'll repeat what I've said before.

IMO the ALMS should be planning it's future around P1 efforts from North American teams such as Highcroft and Dyson. With any luck they can expand to 2 cars.

If those core teams are commited to the series it doesn't take many more quality entries to put together a great P1 field.

Back that up with 2011 P2's and LMPC and your looking at potential 10-15 car prototype entries.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by JAG

Looking at the Portimao grid I think it proves the ILMC will take away something from regular LMS grids.

I realise budget and sponsorship reach need to be taken into account but for major privateer teams like Rebellion I can't see much point in competing for the LMS title and forsaking the ILMC.

Some may think differently but causing the occasional upset and being best of the rest in the ILMC seems more attractive than winning the LMS outright.

PS I don't think this applies to the same degree in the ALMS as it's such a different market.

I dont believe ILMC has had that much effect - first race after LeMans is usually the weakest one in the series and I guess the location is not popular - there were only 35 entries last year so it is not much different - I realise that FLM makes up some but there is more too it than ILMC - who is not in Portugal simply because they are in ILMC??

[JAG]

I can only speak for myself but I will only take a look at the qualifying and race results for Portimao.

If I as a sportscar enthusiat am taking so little interest in this event what does that say to team owners and managers looking to get the most publicity for their teams and sponsors?

It tells me you have to be part of the ILMC big show or you'll get similar coverage as a club event.

For some teams that will be fine but for major privateers like Rebellion I don't think they'd be happy with that situation.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by JAG

It tells me you have to be part of the ILMC big show or you'll get similar coverage as a club event.

For some teams that will be fine but for major privateers like Rebellion I don't think they'd be happy with that situation.

Really? ..and yet there were people arguing how great this would be for Sportscar racing.

[Speed-King]

I'll repeat what I've said before.

IMO the ALMS should be planning it's future around P1 efforts from North American teams such as Highcroft and Dyson. With any luck they can expand to 2 cars.

If those core teams are commited to the series it doesn't take many more quality entries to put together a great P1 field.

Back that up with 2011 P2's and LMPC and your looking at potential 10-15 car prototype entries.

That's not how the ALMS works, though. The series is dependent on manufacturer participation and manufacturers are what it lacks right now. Sure, there are Corvette, BMW, Porsche and Ferrari in GT, but that's about it in terms of factory interest and not all of those will stay in the class/series forever (BMW's history of bouncing around between series, Porsche's history of not getting into spending wars, etc.)....

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Really? ..and yet there were people arguing how great this would be for Sportscar racing.

Combine that with the continuing uncertainty about the new rules and we might once again have one of those all-too-frequent perfect storms at our hands... the next years will definitely be interesting and this time the ACO can't even blame the FIA...

[LeMans.pt]

Originally Posted by JAG

If I as a sportscar enthusiat am taking so little interest in this event ...

May i ask why?

[Tim the Grey]

Of course you may. Please do...

[JAG]

Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

May i ask why?

Sportscar racing is entertainment for myself.

I can watch at least half a dozen endurance races per year with some of the greatest grids in the history of the sport.

Before the year began everyone on this site would have picked Sebring, Spa, Le Mans, Silverstone, PLM and some notable others as ones to watch.

Portimao, Brno and a selection of ALMS races would have gone in the take a rain check box.

Sportscar racing is not like F1 or touring cars as major races have unique atmospheres. You cannot expect to recreate the Le Mans magic at any given circuit.

The LMS will still work for privateers who are taking their first steps onto the international stage in the same manner the series worked for Rollcentre and such in it's early years.

More recently we've seen bigger budget privateers as in ORECA, Rebellion, Stakka, Signature, Oak, Drayson etc. come onto the scene as sportscar racing has strengthened in Europe.

They seem to be looking for recognition on a bigger stage and the ILMC could be the answer.

[gwyllion]

website placeholder: http://www.intercontinental-le-mans-cup.com/

[WMUCarGuy]

When might we expect some more announcements on who will be making the trip over for Petit?

I'm hinging my trip on the entry list.

[Victor_RO]

Peugeot will be there, Davidson-Wurz-Gene and Lamy-Sarrazin-Montagny in the two cars.

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-4773.html

So upon confirmation of the reasons for the failures at Le Mans, they also confirm the ILMC crews. It will be a sole car for Minassian and Davidson at Silverstone, and Montagny-Sarrazin and Bourdais-Pagenaud at Zhuhai. Petit Le Mans speculation is over, Peugeot WILL be there.

[The Badger]

He also mentions a 90X for 2011 .

[Victor_RO]

Well we knew that one, but... maybe it's still 90X because they might not call it 909.

[gwyllion]

Peugeot is mixing the drivers so all of them can drive at least one race. Is the cup awarded to a manufacturer or to drivers? It also appears Peugeot is using the Oreca entry as the second cup entry for Silverstone.

If I remember correctly, a car has to compete in 5 races, excluding Le Mans. For Peugeot this is no problem because they have Sebring, Spa and the 3 ILMC races. However, Audi only had 1 car in Paul Richard. So the second car will have to do another race?

I wondered which Audi drivers will get a drive. Only Rocky, McNish, Kristensen and Capello, or also the others. Silverstone clashes with Super GT, so Lotterer and Treluyer can not particpate in that race. Maybe they can do the Zhuhai because they live nearby McNish and Capello should team up for Silverstone because they might have a shot at the LMS title. PLM would be great for Dumas/Bernard because of their strong ALMS history.

[chernaudi]

Allan, Dindo, Tom and Rocky are the only 4 Audi ALMS/LMS/LM drivers that have full season contracts. Also taking in consideration that Kristensen retired from DTM to do more sportscar racing, Any combination of drives(date clashes now withstanding) would be possible. As mentioned, Lotterer and Treluyer have a Super GT date clash, so it Tom team with Allan and Dindo, that leaves the second car.

Also, the second car might have to do a second race for it to be offically classified in the championship. An Audi 1 or 2 car entry at Hungaroring out of the question, since Allan and Dindo have to run one more race to offically bag the LMS title, since Oreca and Rebellion are so far behind but they still need to do 4 out or 5 races to make their title legit?

Besides, that can be good PR for Audi, since they own an engine manufacting plant that als builds the Audi TT in Gyor.

And regardless of driver line ups, Peugeot might have a hard time with Audi, since Audi's driver line up is now at least equal with Peugeot's across the board and Audi had a little performance in the bank at Le Mans...

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Allan, Dindo, Tom and Rocky are the only 4 Audi ALMS/LMS/LM drivers that have full season contracts. Also taking in consideration that Kristensen retired from DTM to do more sportscar racing, Any combination of drives(date clashes now withstanding) would be possible. As mentioned, Lotterer and Treluyer have a Super GT date clash, so it Tom team with Allan and Dindo, that leaves the second car.

I wouldn't expect three drivers per car. They did it at Spa, but that was probably only in preparation for Le Mans. They've done PLM with two drivers per car plenty of times, so they'll almost certainly only use two for six hours.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Allan, Dindo, Tom and Rocky are the only 4 Audi ALMS/LMS/LM drivers that have full season contracts. Also taking in consideration that Kristensen retired from DTM to do more sportscar racing, Any combination of drives(date clashes now withstanding) would be possible. As mentioned, Lotterer and Treluyer have a Super GT date clash, so it Tom team with Allan and Dindo, that leaves the second car.

1000 km races are normally done with 2 drivers, each doing a 3 hour stint. So that would mean Capello/McNish and Kristensen/Rockenfeller in Silverstone and Zhuhai?
Petit Le Mans could be done with 3 drivers (Peugeot is doing it). Perhaps Capello/Kristensen/McNish and Bernard/Dumas/Rockenfeller (of course if Porsche gives permission)?

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Also, the second car might have to do a second race for it to be offically classified in the championship. An Audi 1 or 2 car entry at Hungaroring out of the question, since Allan and Dindo have to run one more race to offically bag the LMS title, since Oreca and Rebellion are so far behind but they still need to do 4 out or 5 races to make their title legit?

I doubt that Audi is interested in the LMS title. McNish said that they only found out that Paul Richard was double points when they went to the podium Why would they go the Hungaroring where there will probably be a small crowd and no real competition except for the Oreca Peugeot?

[Lola T70]

For Audi Petit is also just a two driver race as well.