Round 6: The 107th running of the Indianapolis 500. May 16 - 28. - Page 20

**bjohnsonsmith** · 28 May 2023, 21:34 (Ref:4158631)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

And iirc, PatO kinda blamed Marcus for pushing him into the grass. Sorry, mate. You were the aggressor and like you say, glad he didn't take Marcus out with him, even tho he said he'd do it the next time.

Well Pato tends to get the red mist a bit too often.

I think what I found confusing about the end of the race, is that iirc, there were three laps left when the yellow came out and then it two laps but only one lap of actual racing.

Hawkwood · 28 May 2023, 21:40 (Ref:4158632)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I think what I found confusing about the end of the race, is that iirc, there were three laps left when the yellow came out and then it two laps but only one lap of actual racing.

Three laps left, one used up to complete that lap and stop in the pits, then one to get going again, and one to race.

I don't quite know what to make of the reds and the restarts etc, but something that annoyed me a lot is the red thrown at 14 laps remaining, then so many laps behind the pace car that there were only 8 laps left when the racing actually restarted (though, granted one of those was due to the initial restart being called off for being too slow). Losing 6 of 14 laps just chugging around behind the pace car is a joke.

mstets · 29 May 2023, 03:14 (Ref:4158667)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

And iirc, PatO kinda blamed Marcus for pushing him into the grass. Sorry, mate. You were the aggressor and like you say, glad he didn't take Marcus out with him, even tho he said he'd do it the next time.

Pato said that he was too nice. I wonder if his view will change after seeing the replay. I like Pato but it looked to me like he did himself in.

**chunterer** · 29 May 2023, 07:21 (Ref:4158696)

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Originally Posted by mstets

Pato said that he was too nice. I wonder if his view will change after seeing the replay. I like Pato but it looked to me like he did himself in.

I jumped off the sofa howling in disbelief!!

He got the previous restart spot on but Ericsson and Josef were on him for this one and he got jumped. The panic set in and led to that lunge.

He could have dropped back in behind Marcus kept the tow through the Shute onto the front straight and done him cleanly into T1. The tow would likely have kept him in touch with the Shell car and he could have set about working Josef over for the next couple of laps.

Definitely blew it.

Felix really blew it too. Suspect he won't be retained next year after that. Rossi was the steady eddie in the team. In contention but never had the outright edge that Pato or Felix had. However he saved AMSP's face with that result.

Highlight for me: TK on the grass at 220! Lol!!

broadrun96 · 28 May 2023, 21:28 (Ref:4158627)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

I don't really buy any conspiracies but the red flags late in the race made for a complete shat product for what was up to that point, an enjoyable event.

It definitely ruined what was running well and shows a clear minimum speed or better control needed on restart. Better movement and the field moving would have likely cut at least one of the reds out. Looked like the last one was the field not all going and some hesitation, without that a different feel to the end.

Couldn't care who won, although any time Cindric wins I feel a bit sick. Something about his radio delivery and interviews of "of course we're smarter we're Penske" but better than son was in Busch cars and crying so maybe some of that carried over.

Gotta wonder if the rules will work so Josef can get the I think 450k for repeat now, think it's around 20-25k added each year from Borg Warner for a repeat

mstets · 6 Jun 2023, 06:02 (Ref:4160158)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

I don't really buy any conspiracies but the red flags late in the race made for a complete shat product for what was up to that point, an enjoyable event.

I was surprised by a casual Indycar fan texting me about the possibility of Penske dictating the last red flag. I told him that I wasn't buying in to that. It's a shame that Newgarden's win will always be a bit tainted by that possibility. I generally root against a Penske win but I think Josef is the best driver from the USA to get to a major series in the last 20 (?) years and I'm glad to see him get an Indy win.

The race is all about tradition, run it traditionally. Don't throw red flags solely for the purpose of finishing under green. NASCAR has ruined its racing and its championship in pursuit of a "show". Anything that Indycar does along the same lines is a mistake.

**Adam43** · 6 Jun 2023, 10:35 (Ref:4160194)

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Originally Posted by mstets

I was surprised by a casual Indycar fan texting me about the possibility of Penske dictating the last red flag. I told him that I wasn't buying in to that. It's a shame that Newgarden's win will always be a bit tainted by that possibility. I generally root against a Penske win but I think Josef is the best driver from the USA to get to a major series in the last 20 (?) years and I'm glad to see him get an Indy win.

...

So you’re saying this goes all the way to top and it was the President who dictated this not Penske?

Red flag gate!

**Adam43** · 28 May 2023, 22:04 (Ref:4158638)

I see someone was hit by debris in that accident, but they were seen and released from the inflexible car center.

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/statu...yWILSZ0DMY7C-g

fieldodreams79 · 29 May 2023, 00:32 (Ref:4158651)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I see someone was hit by debris in that accident, but they were seen and released from the inflexible car center.

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/statu...yWILSZ0DMY7C-g

Just unbelievably lucky, that. It could've been so bad but it wasn't

chavez · 29 May 2023, 05:33 (Ref:4158680)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I see someone was hit by debris in that accident, but they were seen and released from the inflexible car center.

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/statu...yWILSZ0DMY7C-g

The international TV feed showed someone being treated in a golf cart, with interested onlookers being asked to move away.

**Adam43** · 29 May 2023, 00:41 (Ref:4158654)

Inflexible car center should read infield care center! At least I got center correct for a US track!

fieldodreams79 · 29 May 2023, 02:08 (Ref:4158663)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Inflexible car center should read infield care center! At least I got center correct for a US track!

I wasn't gonna call you out on it. Inflexible Car Center sounds like my mechanic.

**Adam43** · 29 May 2023, 02:16 (Ref:4158664)

Important Chevy Cruze update.
https://twitter.com/andrewkossack/st...yWILSZ0DMY7C-g

peebee2 · 29 May 2023, 05:33 (Ref:4158679)

A great race. A bit farcical at the end but no blame can be given to the drivers who stayed on the isalnd.

I'm no Zac Brown fan, but his team were unlucky. 20 laps to go and all four cars in play, with three of them in real positions to challenge for the win.

Even after seeing the video of the incident, Pato still says it was all Marcus - completely ignoring the fact that he stuck his nose in to a near suicidal position. Everyone has to love Pato but it's too often the same with him.

Then we have FRo who makes the same mistake he has made so many times before, you've got to wonder how come he just doesn't learn.

NaBUru38 · 29 May 2023, 15:00 (Ref:4158751)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

My brother was yelling "Keep your visor down, dude!!"

Me too.

[QUOTE=fieldodreams79;4158548]This should've ended at the first red. Not because I want Josef to win, but because we're pushing the limits of safety every time they send these guys into T1. Or on the straights, for crying in the mud. /QUOTE]

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The weaving is unpleasing to watch.

Agree. It's becoming too dangerous.

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Originally Posted by rika

I like Newgarden, he can win but not like this! I feel that was so undeserved!
Ericsson was really screwed by the race control!

Ericsson should have been penalized for squeezing Pato, and Newgarden should have been penalized for zigzagging.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 May 2023, 16:28 (Ref:4158767)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Ericsson should have been penalized for squeezing Pato, and Newgarden should have been penalized for zigzagging.

There's an article from Racer.com about zigzagging, or the Dragon move as it is called. Yesterday wasn't the first time it has been used.

https://racer.com/2023/05/29/dragon-...vil-newgarden/

fieldodreams79 · 29 May 2023, 17:16 (Ref:4158773)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Ericsson should have been penalized for squeezing Pato.

Not sure I agree on this one. Late move from PatO with under 10 to go at Indy. Was Marcus supposed to move up into the dirty part of the track, where the majority of the previous incidents started, to get out of the way of a dive bomb move?

NaBUru38 · 30 May 2023, 13:06 (Ref:4158844)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Not sure I agree on this one. Late move from PatO with under 10 to go at Indy. Was Marcus supposed to move up into the dirty part of the track, where the majority of the previous incidents started, to get out of the way of a dive bomb move?

I don't think it was a dive bomb, it was a well timed move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_rv3kC7_s

Pato is made the moved on 0'41 and was side to side at 0'42. The squeeze and spin was at 0'44.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 May 2023, 13:19 (Ref:4158845)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

I don't think it was a dive bomb, it was a well timed move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_rv3kC7_s

Pato is made the moved on 0'41 and was side to side at 0'42. The squeeze and spin was at 0'44.

It looked like a hasty move, which is why he got onto the grass and then lost it.

fieldodreams79 · 30 May 2023, 13:22 (Ref:4158846)

Dive bomb or well timed, it was very aggressive, in the last laps of the biggest race of the year. Is it okay for only one to be aggressive? We've seen this before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uwp...sMotorSpeedway

Neither deserve a penalty. Hard racing. Sometimes shyte happens.

broadrun96 · 29 May 2023, 23:07 (Ref:4158800)

[QUOTE=NaBUru38;4158751]Me too.

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

This should've ended at the first red. Not because I want Josef to win, but because we're pushing the limits of safety every time they send these guys into T1. Or on the straights, for crying in the mud. /QUOTE]

Agree. It's becoming too dangerous.

Ericsson should have been penalized for squeezing Pato, and Newgarden should have been penalized for zigzagging.

Neither was a penalty under Indy rules. Neither one made a reactionary move and Indy rules allow breaking of draft as long as it isn't moving to block. No one would call that move a penalty in RC or reaction move, it's the usual move to break a draft.

Now making it a rule you can't cross over the pit lane would be a good change but wouldn't change the weave either. It would just change how wide the path is

NaBUru38 · 29 May 2023, 15:01 (Ref:4158752)

It was a miracle that nobody got hurt. I expect IndyCar to do actual changes to prevent fatalities.

**Adam43** · 29 May 2023, 16:33 (Ref:4158770)

yeah, it’s a feature of the end of Indy every year.

My objection is just it looks weak and it’s tedious. As long as it isn’t late then it’s not dangerous.

Hawkwood · 29 May 2023, 20:12 (Ref:4158784)

Just realised, first American winner since Rossi in 2016?
For a domestic series IndyCar is incredibly international.

**joeb** · 29 May 2023, 21:11 (Ref:4158793)

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Originally Posted by Hawkwood

Just realised, first American winner since Rossi in 2016?
For a domestic series IndyCar is incredibly international.

Yes ,and 2 Americans on the podium! Haven't checked to records to see when that happened last. IRL days?

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