Super 2000 RSS

Roundy Mooney · 1 Dec 2005, 16:48 (Ref:1474846)

could someone explain the Regs of this class ? I have looked at the website, but it just metioned that all the regs would be released at superprix. What is the the minimum weight etc...

golfvanman · 1 Dec 2005, 16:52 (Ref:1474849)

for croft there was no minimum weight limit but it was said that for next year there will be one but have not seen any regs yet. All i know is that it is open to upto 2.0l cars with steel bodies. None of these expensive turbocharged and spaceframed car's .....................surely turbocharged power is cheaper than normally aspirated ? cannot understand that one.

HrRACING · 1 Dec 2005, 18:35 (Ref:1474935)

Seems stupid to have a weight limit to me. People, for instance, Asa, spend loads of time and effort drilling pannels etc to get their weight down and its going to waste.

It doesn't cost anything to drill holes or lighten things in general, and in the case of fibre glass pannels, you need them to cover the rims that people use in modified so they are not visible from above.

Are they just trying to turn this class into stockhatch for 2ltr with sticky tyres?

206180 · 1 Dec 2005, 19:44 (Ref:1475009)

Weight limit is a good idea as it is a performance equaliser.
The idea of the class is so that British drivers can go and race in Europe as most domestic championships have a similar class.
And as for being a 2 litre stock hatch class with sticky tyres does that mean your stock hatch has cr gearbox, LSD and tuned engine ??

HrRACING · 1 Dec 2005, 20:10 (Ref:1475036)

Shhhhh!!!

Not all Super 2000's have cr's.

It was just a question, but they should have made the weight limit rule stand before people did weight saving to their cars for the superprix.

bucko · 1 Dec 2005, 23:37 (Ref:1475230)

weight issue is coming into play next year , i will be ok mine like a tank but then it has been around a long time . and as i see it easier way to step up a class if you have a 1600 and learn the joys of using slick tyres lsd , , the weight was dropped out at the superprix but i think it would be bought in if some one starts to dominate the class ,

bucko · 1 Dec 2005, 23:37 (Ref:1475231)

weight issue is coming into play next year , i will be ok mine like a tank but then it has been around a long time . and as i see it easier way to step up a class if you have a 1600 and learn the joys of using slick tyres lsd , , the weight was dropped out at the superprix but i think it would be bought in if some one starts to dominate the class ,

Spunky Munky · 2 Dec 2005, 23:12 (Ref:1476039)

Well if a weight limit is imposed and my car needs ballast putting in, then i wont be entering.
Cant see the point of having a low budget, so instead of spending big bucks on an engine, i saved weight hoping to keep my power to weight ratio something similar. If they impose the weight limit people with low budgets will somehow have to find the money to build a more powerful engine to move the extra weight, therefore surely getting rid of the CHEAP stepping stone from Stock Hatch to modified, or alternatively still be short of power by carrry more weight.
MY car is, i think, the first converted Stock Hatch to make this step to modified, so it proves it can be done for relatively little money, but what class can it now be used in successfully?

HrRACING · 2 Dec 2005, 23:32 (Ref:1476051)

BTRDA modified in theory...but the entries are ****.

rallycrosscraig · 2 Dec 2005, 23:38 (Ref:1476056)

do we need any more classes its complicated enough as it is?

HrRACING · 2 Dec 2005, 23:40 (Ref:1476059)

Well they have tried to get a stepping stone between mods and stocks but havn't yet really...

bucko · 3 Dec 2005, 00:00 (Ref:1476076)

have spoke to rpl 850 kg about the ball park if you got a 2'0 litre /750kg for 1600 cc and 650kg below 1600 but you will have to get this confirmed other wieght is for div 1a ( i think ) so spunky monkey how light is ya motor !!!

Spunky Munky · 3 Dec 2005, 10:16 (Ref:1476203)

It was 753kgs in stock hatch form, but now it has has lighter fibreglass/kevlar and some carbon panels, should be a bit lighter although the engine is now heavier(not currently with only 3 pistons in!), so i would think it would be less than 800kgs.

Cryos · 3 Dec 2005, 14:24 (Ref:1476303)

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfvanman

for croft there was no minimum weight limit but it was said that for next year there will be one but have not seen any regs yet. All i know is that it is open to upto 2.0l cars with steel bodies. None of these expensive turbocharged and spaceframed car's .....................surely turbocharged power is cheaper than normally aspirated ? cannot understand that one.

Oh well that rules the highly powerfull turbodiesel powered rallycross cars tho *sigh*

Carlos · 3 Dec 2005, 17:16 (Ref:1476365)

Where are the regs for this class?

Carlos · 6 Dec 2005, 16:29 (Ref:1478336)

Is this formula based around Division 2 regs?

Roundy Mooney · 6 Dec 2005, 17:15 (Ref:1478383)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucko

have spoke to rpl 850 kg about the ball park if you got a 2'0 litre /750kg for 1600 cc and 650kg below 1600 but you will have to get this confirmed other wieght is for div 1a ( i think ) so spunky monkey how light is ya motor !!!

Bucko would those figures include driver ?

The new Irish Stockhatch weight limit is 825kg including driver. Which did seem to make a difference at the last round of the irish championship.

leonidas · 6 Dec 2005, 17:33 (Ref:1478394)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlos

Is this formula based around Division 2 regs?

No, I think its supposed to be based on the Euro 2000 regs, as used in the FIA North European Zone Championship. (Latvia, Norway etc)

Not sure what the Euro 2000 regs say about homologation dates but I'm guessing that in Britain cars way out of homologation (modified 205s etc) will continue to be allowed into the RSS 2000 class.

bucko · 6 Dec 2005, 20:54 (Ref:1478509)

i am not sure if thats with the driver i would presume not and thats car alone wieght whether thats includes full water bottles , fuel etc i am not sure , but i would presume wieght is measured as you intend to go racing and be on the wieght as you leave the track after racing without the driver ,(so at no piont the car is under wieght ) as for homlogation i was told my nova will be ok to use in this class for the forseable long future ,. i would speak to rpl for full regs , in fact i would e -them .

just another question ? any ideas why the brda wont run this class with wieght s for differing engine sizes would this class not make sense instead of the modifeid class where by the engine must be the same as the car as manufactored surely this would make it more of an open class to free engine use up ie easier to upgrade ? or is it a case of they wont cause they have ??

Nittymaki · 8 Dec 2005, 18:38 (Ref:1479909)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roundy Mooney

could someone explain the Regs of this class ? I have looked at the website, but it just metioned that all the regs would be released at superprix. What is the the minimum weight etc...

Rallycross Super Series 2000 (2006 Reg's)
Cars must be 2WD, rigidly closed, non-convertible models with a maximum engine capacity of 2000 cm³. Cars must not be spaceframed and turbo charged cars are not permitted. Each car must retain its original bulkhead. Rear wheel drive cars are not permitted. The organisers reserve the right to impose ballast to equalize the performance of the cars.

Please note from above no minimum weights will be introduced into the class during 2006 season, but they may adopt success ballast to even up the class.
Cars can either be homologated or non-homologated.

Carlos · 8 Dec 2005, 19:05 (Ref:1479931)

"Rear wheel drive cars are not permitted"? isnt there an mr2 in this class or is it converted to fwd?

**BertMk2** · 8 Dec 2005, 20:37 (Ref:1479989)

I thought it was no rear wheel drive conversions? So Howlins Fiesta wouldn't be allowed but the MR2 would.

bucko · 8 Dec 2005, 22:01 (Ref:1480034)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BertMk2

I thought it was no rear wheel drive conversions? So Howlins Fiesta wouldn't be allowed but the MR2 would.

howlins fiesta is space framed .

Spunky Munky · 8 Dec 2005, 22:21 (Ref:1480052)

The piccys of the MR2 on the RSS website show the front to be spaceframed, although they say it has been built for the Super 2000 Class!!

**BertMk2** · 9 Dec 2005, 08:48 (Ref:1480262)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucko

howlins fiesta is space framed .

Yep. Forgot about that. Even if it wasn't space framed with the rear wheel drive conversion it wouldn't be eligible. (Think I just about got away with that

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