[LM24 Race] BoP. Brilliant or Pants (2022)

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by peetleouf

It's really a shame for Toyota, they have been doing Le Mans since 2012 and only managed to win when all the other factory teams left. They never managed to beat Audi, were humiliated by Porsche and now the organizer is obliged to give them an advantage against much smaller opponents to make sure they win... I liked them in 2012, it has become a team that I hate, the worst being the main team Pascal Vasselon who is a real crybaby ... I can't wait for next year when Porsche and/or Ferrari will spank them...

2015 aside, when ts040 was basically nowhere, I don't think toyota have been actually humiliated by anyone across all these years, not to mention how in 2014, 2016 and 2017 they lost LM for the most unlikely and unpredictable unfortunate circumstances despite being the best in grid.

[Simmi]

Slightly worrying trend this year from the ACO of what I'm choosing to call 'Flip-Flop BoP'.

Rather than going in a certain direction it just gave the impression they were free styling a bit.

You could see Alpine were caught out by it. They assumed they'd got their break and proceeded to naively show, not only some one-lap pace, but also a 13-lap stint. If BoP is a game then it's tough when the rules are so fluid.

Also, just purely from a consistency perspective, I've no idea how the Vette sailed through race week without any changes. Especially given some of the extra micro adjustments to minimum wing angles etc. I've watched enough racing to know it was clearly "Corvette's turn" this year. They'll know that, which makes what happened all the more brutal for them.

The top class BoP discourse in years to come is going to be wild.

[chernaudi]

You gotta also remember that IMSA also caught a lot of stick for how they handled BOP, especially in LMP1 and GT1, back in 2006 with constant, race to race changes. The ACO have done the same with LMH this year, especially Alpine. They started off maybe too dominant at Sebring, then perhaps went too far on the power tracks (Spa, LM) reeling them in.


I'd say get rid of BOP, but that genie got let out of the lamp years ago, teams generally want it in some form, we have to hope that the ACO get it right at some point.

[Simmi]

I heard on RLM that Peugeot had 'demanded' that the Hypercar BoP be purely mathematical. I'm not sure if might see a tweaked system next year?

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by Simmi

the Hypercar BoP be purely mathematical

And what is that supposed to mean? No "success ballast" component in BOP like we've seen this year with Alpine? Or whatever else?

[canaglia]

same AWD-hybrid configuration, probably same tires size, same aero/cx ratio due mandatory homologation requisite. If ferrari will use a 90L fuel tank like toyota and peugeot... why ferrari, toyota and peugeot cars should have a different bop?

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by canaglia

same AWD-hybrid configuration, probably same tires size, same aero/cx ratio due mandatory homologation requisite. If ferrari will use a 90L fuel tank like toyota and peugeot... why ferrari, toyota and peugeot cars should have a different bop?

Peugeot are sticking with same size front and rear tyres.

But besides that, in theory it should be easier to balance the new cars because, as you say, they are built to a formula, also with the same power/weight. The Alpine is the outlier. In its LMP1 configuration it would comfortably be the fastest car on the track. It would have been fun to see it outpacing the others but having shorter stints. But fun wasn't really on the menu this year...

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by canaglia

same AWD-hybrid configuration, probably same tires size, same aero/cx ratio due mandatory homologation requisite. If ferrari will use a 90L fuel tank like toyota and peugeot... why ferrari, toyota and peugeot cars should have a different bop?

If that's what they want and it happens, in the end we will just get more Toyota snoozefest races

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Simmi

I heard on RLM that Peugeot had 'demanded' that the Hypercar BoP be purely mathematical. I'm not sure if might see a tweaked system next year?

Originally Posted by tomcug

And what is that supposed to mean? No "success ballast" component in BOP like we've seen this year with Alpine? Or whatever else?

Maybe they want a system like IMSA. No i don't know the ins and outs but I think it is formula based somehow and the rules are set before the season and everybody agrees.

[Mike E]

Doesn't the WEC already use an automated BoP system for the non-LM rounds for GTE? Was this adopted?

I guess it would be a similar set up

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/w...17667/5017667/