[LM24] Official 2010 Le Mans entrant list

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by CTD

Im not so sure...
At Silverstone last year the LMS GT2 cars drove 1:48 in qualifying, where the FIA Gt1 Corvette drove 1:42 in qualifying!

And you think last years FIA/ACO rule GT-1s are not faster than the new rule FIA GT-1s??


But then again that subject should be in the other thread (mostly).





L.P.

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by CTD

Im not so sure...
At Silverstone last year the LMS GT2 cars drove 1:48 in qualifying, where the FIA Gt1 Corvette drove 1:42 in qualifying!

That's a false comparison...the Corvette you are referring to was not a 'new' generation GT1 car, which will be much slower and designed for sprints. I wouldn't be surprised if the new GT2 vettes finish comfortably above the LAA "grandfathered" GT1 things.

[prototype]

Hrmm,

Interesting point about GT1 vs. GT2. Aren't the LAA vettes the same ones that have raced at Le Mans the last year?

I didn't hear about GT1 getting restricted further.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by prototype

Hrmm,

Interesting point about GT1 vs. GT2. Aren't the LAA vettes the same ones that have raced at Le Mans the last year?

I didn't hear about GT1 getting restricted further.

Run to FIA GT-1 WC rules this year. Less aero, less brakes, more weight and a common ecu.




L.P.

[Blaze92]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

That's a false comparison...the Corvette you are referring to was not a 'new' generation GT1 car, which will be much slower and designed for sprints. I wouldn't be surprised if the new GT2 vettes finish comfortably above the LAA "grandfathered" GT1 things.

In fact that info is wrong, but judging by the times that the 2010 Ford GT1 and the 2010 Nissan GTR GT1 made in the 2009 Season I dont think that something like that will happen.

On a side note, in the 2009 Silverstone qualifyng. the Fastest lap was made by
the Saleen S7-R, it was a 1:42.216 then the MC12 with 1:43.150. not by the C6.R.

GT1: 1:42.216
Corvette: 1:43.792
Ford GT1: 1:46.567 (2010 FIA GT rules)

GT2: 1:49.698 (V8 Vantage)

The New GT1's are like super GT3's, about the same weight but better aero and brakes and more power, GT3 are alredy reaching GT2 lap times and in long tracks like Spa they're actually faster, so it wouldn't surprise me that GT1, as always will be faster than GT2

2009 Spa 24h Qualifying:

GT1: 2:15.423
2:18.321 (2010 rules)

GT2: 2:22.658

GT3: 2:21.106 (albeit just the R8 LMS went that fast, the others were around 2:24)

[skeeskirrt]

I have a feeling that the organizers will cook it up somehow so that a GT1 will be faster than a GT2, at least over one quali lap.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

That's a false comparison...the Corvette you are referring to was not a 'new' generation GT1 car, which will be much slower and designed for sprints. I wouldn't be surprised if the new GT2 vettes finish comfortably above the LAA "grandfathered" GT1 things.

Originally Posted by Blaze92

In fact that info is wrong, but judging by the times that the 2010 Ford GT1 and the 2010 Nissan GTR GT1 made in the 2009 Season I dont think that something like that will happen.

On a side note, in the 2009 Silverstone qualifyng. the Fastest lap was made by
the Saleen S7-R, it was a 1:42.216 then the MC12 with 1:43.150. not by the C6.R.

GT1: 1:42.216
Corvette: 1:43.792
Ford GT1: 1:46.567 (2010 FIA GT rules)

GT2: 1:49.698 (V8 Vantage)

The New GT1's are like super GT3's, about the same weight but better aero and brakes and more power, GT3 are alredy reaching GT2 lap times and in long tracks like Spa they're actually faster, so it wouldn't surprise me that GT1, as always will be faster than GT2

2009 Spa 24h Qualifying:

GT1: 2:15.423
2:18.321 (2010 rules)

GT2: 2:22.658

GT3: 2:21.106 (albeit just the R8 LMS went that fast, the others were around 2:24)

And just how is that info wrong? The cars in FIA GT-1 last year were not running to 2010 rules, period! And the opinion that the new rule GT-1s will be as fast as last years GT-1s is just that, an opinion, which many do not agree with! Including it seems some who have driven both!!! We will see.

And just where did you get the 2009 FIA GT #s from Spa? What I see as the fastest FIA GT-1 time was an MC 12 with a Qing time of 2:18.030 (FIA GT-2 @ 2:25.232) where the fastest LMS GT-2 Qed in at 2:21.8
I expect the LMS GT-2 to be faster this year and the FIA GT-1s to be slower, so...




L.P.

[AndrewF31]

Reactions pouring in from the teams about the Entries:

Drayson Racing: http://www.draysonracing.com/news/pu..._Le_Mans.shtml

Strakka: http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...6699&FS=LEMANS

Audi (and McNish): http://www.audi.co.uk/audi-innovatio...e-assault.html

Highcroft (with Dayton comments): http://www.highcroftracing.com/ (flash site so you have to go to the news section... no direct link)

Jaguar: http://www.jaguar.com/gl/en/#/about_...returns_lemans
75th anniversary of Jaguar this year.

[The Badger]

Im interested in seeing what Highcroft's livery will be , as alcohol sponsorship is banned in France .

Another bright spark of a rule !!!

[The Badger]

Sébastien Philippe ..... em , who is this dude ? He is entered in the Dome !!!

[KA]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Sébastien Philippe ..... em , who is this dude ? He is entered in the Dome !!!

Background in French F3 and Japanese F3 I think, more recently been driving Nissans in Super GT

[KA]

Originally Posted by KA

Background in French F3 and Japanese F3 I think, more recently been driving Nissans in Super GT

Looked around a bit further- Japanese F3 Champion in 2000, then moved over to Super GT- apparently he's driven for Dome before, when they were running Honda NSXs in Japan in the early 2000s
http://supergt.net/supergt/2005/05te...5tm100d1en.htm
Might be his first run at Le Mans though?

[KA]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

And just where did you get the 2009 FIA GT #s from Spa? What I see as the fastest FIA GT-1 time was an MC 12 with a Qing time of 2:18.030 (FIA GT-2 @ 2:25.232) where the fastest LMS GT-2 Qed in at 2:21.8
I expect the LMS GT-2 to be faster this year and the FIA GT-1s to be slower, so...


L.P.

Looking at race and qualifying results from Spa on DSC, the times Blaze quoted seem to have been fastest race laps, which appear to have been the fastest qualifying times for most classes at the 24 hours- very wet qualifying IIRC?

Do we know how close the 'new generation' GT1 cars that appeared last year (ie the Matech/Marc VDS Fords and the Nissan) actually were to the spec they'll run this year? Looking at the qualifying and race laptimes for the Silverstone FIA and LMS races last year, the Fords were running somewhere between 'old-style GT1' and LMS GT2 pace- about 1.5-2 seconds faster than a GT2.

I think I'd agree with you on expecting the FIA GT1s to be slower this year, and the LMS GT2s to be faster, but the difference might not be very much....
Interesting thought, if the new GT1s did turn out to be around frontrunning/upper midfield GT2 pace, might we see the ACO opt for a single GT class in 2011....?

[KA]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Im interested in seeing what Highcroft's livery will be , as alcohol sponsorship is banned in France .

Another bright spark of a rule !!!

Quote from Duncan Dayton on DSC suggests a different sponsor for LM
'We're going to be headed to France with new colors in June. We would have loved to fly the Patron flag in the biggest endurance race in the world, but we now have a great opportunity to introduce new marketing partners to a massive international audience'

[Blaze92]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

And just how is that info wrong? The cars in FIA GT-1 last year were not running to 2010 rules, period! And the opinion that the new rule GT-1s will be as fast as last years GT-1s is just that, an opinion, which many do not agree with! Including it seems some who have driven both!!! We will see.

And just where did you get the 2009 FIA GT #s from Spa? What I see as the fastest FIA GT-1 time was an MC 12 with a Qing time of 2:18.030 (FIA GT-2 @ 2:25.232) where the fastest LMS GT-2 Qed in at 2:21.8
I expect the LMS GT-2 to be faster this year and the FIA GT-1s to be slower, so...




L.P.

Ups, it didn't quote all I wanted, well, I said the Info was wrong about the Silverstone Qualifying because it was a Saleen S7-R and not a Corvette C6.R the one who got the pole position.

The Times were from here, and yes they were Fastest race laps, my mistake, still nothing tell us that the 2010 GT1's are going to be as slow as the GT2's. the Qualifying times still are against it.

2009 Spa 24H

GT1: 2:18.030
R35 GTR: 2:20.954 (2010 Rules)

GT2: 2:24.267

GT3: 2:23.437

From current GT1's to the 2010 GT1's are 3 seconds, from 2010 GT1 to GT2, 3 seconds and... the GT3 Audi R8 LMS was faster than any GT2.

As far as I know the Matech and Marc VDS Ford GT1's an the Nissan R35 GTR were running in 2010 GT1 spec and in all the races the participate in the 2009 season they were always faster than the GT2, I spec them to have a performance around the one of the old ACO GTS/ FIA GT cars. or maybe faster... in silverstone the GT's got times barely faster than the actual GT2's but the 2010 GT1's went 4 seconds faster than the GT2's.

[Blaze92]

Using Silverstone as a basis we get this:

2009
FIA 2005 GT1: 1:42.216
ACO 2005 GT1: 1:45.714
FIA 2010 GT1: 1:46.567

ACO 2005 GT2: 1:48.638
FIA 2005 GT2: 1:50.230

In the 2009 season the 2010 GT1's weren't much slower than what the current GT1's were doing in LMS.

If we average the time since the cars started racing we get this:

GT1: 1:44 - 1:45

GT: 1:48 - 1:49

GT2: 1:49 - 1:50

In fact there's no other race in the LMS or FIA GT since the 2005 rules were applied that the GT2's went around the circuit at 1:48. just in 2009. all the other years they were running between 1:49 - 1:50.
And the GT1's only passed the 1:44 mark in 2007 by the C6.R with 1:43.504 and in 2009 by one of the K+K S7-R (1:42.216), the two Vitaphone MC12's (1:43.150 and 1:43.576) and the PKcarsport C6.R (1:43.782). So for the 2010 GT1's to be just 1-2 seconds slower than the average 2005 GT1's pole times in they're first run is not bad, they're still 3-4 seconds faster than the 2005 GT2's. I don't see where this 2010 GT1's are going to be slower than the GT2's is coming, they have about the same or better aero, weigh about the same and have a 200 hp advantage.

And if you don't remember the GT2's will be changed too, No traction Control, GT1 spec tires and GT3 style aero along with other things.

The 2010 GT1's are most likely to be between the old GT/GTS cars and last years GT1's, maybe about the same as the GT/GTS cars.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Blaze92

And if you don't remember the GT2's will be changed too, No traction Control, GT1 spec tires and GT3 style aero along with other things.

Please show me where the ACO/LM rules have changed from last year for GT-2 other than telemetry Art. 2.9: 3) Here Please pay close attention to item #1 of the 'CARS ELIGIBLE IN LMGT2 CATEGORY'. After all we are talking about Le Mans and the ACO rules, right?!





L.P.

[Splendid Cat]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Another bright spark of a rule !!!

Why do you think that?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by The Badger

But miffed at WR getting in though .

Despite my long-standing role as Chief WR and Debora-Basher, I'm rather pleased personally. Bearing in mind the team was kept out of the race last year basically on false pretences, I say good luck to them in 2010.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by arakis

Depends on how many cars I would have an entry to Le Mans, If I had two entries like Risi, sure I would sell one to Gentlemen drivers, or would enter my self, also if my team was not top notch I would also drive just for the fun of it,
But if I had a top notch team that would actuali be capable of winning, like the Lizards, Imsa, Felbayer,---and I had only one entry, I would buy the best drivers for my car and hope to win and bring home a trophy, and have my team go down in the history books

Nice idea.... But if I had the money and the ACO would let me, I'd drive every time, no matter how slow I might be! My money, my car, my experience....

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Splendid Cat

Why do you think that?

So much for free advertising . What troubles me more is the amount of bloody toy adds on TV at christmas time .

Or the fact that oil companies can advertise , but fags & alcohol cant .

Thats why .

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Despite my long-standing role as Chief WR and Debora-Basher, I'm rather pleased personally. Bearing in mind the team was kept out of the race last year basically on false pretences, I say good luck to them in 2010.

Dont get me wrong Ayse , Ive always supported them , and I admire their perserverance but , there are some more deserving P2 that I would have wished to have seen . Ones that would probably last , also taking into consideration the small field of P2 this year .

[Splendid Cat]

Originally Posted by The Badger

So much for free advertising . What troubles me more is the amount of bloody toy adds on TV at christmas time .

Or the fact that oil companies can advertise , but fags & alcohol cant .

Thats why .

That's ok then. Have you ever watched Saxondale...

[The Badger]

Nope , whats that ?

[prototype]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Please show me where the ACO/LM rules have changed from last year for GT-2 other than telemetry Art. 2.9: 3) Here Please pay close attention to item #1 of the 'CARS ELIGIBLE IN LMGT2 CATEGORY'. After all we are talking about Le Mans and the ACO rules, right?!


L.P.

I agree Horndawg. GT2 is the same as last year except for the following:
• Art.2.9 - Telemetry - one way from car to pits.
• Art. 5.7.4. – Noise level - 112dba measured 15m from the track.
• Art. 6.5 – Amount of Fuel - 90 liters (litres) of fuel maximum.
• Art. 14.6 - Temperature inside the cockpit - Max of 32 (90 degrees f)degrees if it less than 32 externally.
• Art. 19 – Balance of performance - ACO can change weight, fuel tank, restrictor or anything else they see fit to balance performance.