F1 Privateers

jamescrofts · 27 Nov 2003, 17:23 (Ref:796255)

Up until the early 80's there were plenty of Grand Prix privateers. Should second hand or replicar cars be allowed back in. Transit vans and trailers as well.

Ryo28 · 27 Nov 2003, 17:33 (Ref:796264)

As a Minardi supporter, iam bound to say yes - gives them another team to race against/beat, just like the old days of Life, Coloni, et al...

Red · 27 Nov 2003, 17:37 (Ref:796268)

No. Either be serious (that is be sure you CAN compete in all races of the season) or leave us.

According to Concorde agreement, the grid is limited to 24 cars (12 teams of 2 cars each) Last time I checked, there were only 10 slots filled, and those were not 100% sure. Anyone can be Bernie's friend, provided that he doesn't just fill up the numbers.

jamescrofts · 27 Nov 2003, 18:03 (Ref:796282)

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Originally posted by Red
No. Either be serious (that is be sure you CAN compete in all races of the season) or leave us.

According to Concorde agreement, the grid is limited to 24 cars (12 teams of 2 cars each) Last time I checked, there were only 10 slots filled, and those were not 100% sure. Anyone can be Bernie's friend, provided that he doesn't just fill up the numbers.

Its that B***** Concorde agreement that has ruined the sport!

James

ralf fan · 27 Nov 2003, 18:06 (Ref:796283)

the thing is with Minardi... before they were contributing to the sport by grooming talents like WEBBER and Alonso... Now however with the sport sooo competitive all they do is get pay drivers a get lapped like crazy...

paulzinho · 27 Nov 2003, 18:35 (Ref:796305)

I'd love to see the days of pre qualifying return, there used to be some interesting combinations back then!

Concorde agreement wouldnt let it happen though. Shame because privateers are an integral part of any sort of racing.

**Bononi** · 27 Nov 2003, 18:52 (Ref:796322)

Sure it won't happen again in F1. Those days are gone.

Fogelhund · 27 Nov 2003, 18:57 (Ref:796325)

These things are cyclical, and there will be a time with less manufacturer support. If Bernie & co. cannot figure out a way to attract privateers in the future, then F1 as we know it will die. Perhaps that means three car factory teams, or more privateer teams, driving last years factory cars, but things will need to change.

jamescrofts · 27 Nov 2003, 19:53 (Ref:796363)

The likes of Mercedes, Ford, Toyota and Honda; who are in the mass car market should be made to provide engines to at least 3 privateers.

big ears · 27 Nov 2003, 19:55 (Ref:796367)

Why would other teams want to go into F1 any way, look at Arrows and Prost. The privateers will not want to go out of business

jamescrofts · 27 Nov 2003, 20:13 (Ref:796382)

How about Minardi being able to run a Ferrari? Williams and MacLaren making chassis for other teams? The return of teams like Hesketh, Ensign and Wolf with just one car? This is what we want; variety! Under the current rules there would be no Williams!

James

krt917 · 27 Nov 2003, 21:11 (Ref:796429)

Quote:

Originally posted by Fogelhund
These things are cyclical, and there will be a time with less manufacturer support. If Bernie & co. cannot figure out a way to attract privateers in the future, then F1 as we know it will die. Perhaps that means three car factory teams, or more privateer teams, driving last years factory cars, but things will need to change.

Yes, they do. I hope you're right!

Quote:

Originally posted by jamescrofts
How about Minardi being able to run a Ferrari? Williams and MacLaren making chassis for other teams? The return of teams like Hesketh, Ensign and Wolf with just one car? This is what we want; variety!

Sounds good to me.

Grids bigger than 24 cars would be good.

jamescrofts · 27 Nov 2003, 21:29 (Ref:796448)

30 cars would be about the right number.

Kojima_KE007 · 28 Nov 2003, 00:19 (Ref:796550)

Allowing privateer teams using old chassis will probably be much less costly and produce much more competitive racing.

I would also have thought that it would give more chances to young drivers coming up to Formula One. There just aren't enough seats available for talented drivers these days. We probably stop wasting talented drivers as well.

jetsetter · 28 Nov 2003, 00:49 (Ref:796557)

I wouldn't mind it happening if the guys running these privateer teams are serious & running cars to their full potential & not running the team as some sort of tax dodge & having their cars miles of the pace.

jamescrofts · 28 Nov 2003, 01:38 (Ref:796572)

We need teams that are there because they want to compete. Hesketh Racing were superb. Also Colin Crabb's Antique Automobiles were another famous team; they ran Ronnie Peterson for March.

Teretonga · 28 Nov 2003, 02:59 (Ref:796611)

Absolutely yes! Having one or two car private teams would be wonderful for the sport. remember though that it happened at it's best when anyone could buy a DFV and be within a second of pole if the car was set up right and you had a good driver. Personally i think manufacturers should be allowed to sell their cars to other teams. what is wrong with Peter Sauber running last years Ferrari in blue? A privately run M17D or last years Williams with a customer ford (or Honda) engine in the back for some bright newcomer? Nothing. Bernie is wrong on this. His vision is too antiseptic, lacks colour and charisma. 26 teams chasing 24 grid spots. Change the concorde agreement to include payments on the teams results with each car independently, down to 24 th place. It would stop some teams just having one good car/driver combo and a hack. both in two car teams would be of equal importance.

Teretonga · 28 Nov 2003, 03:04 (Ref:796618)

Actually Jamescrofts is right. 28-30 cars would be excellent.

jamescrofts · 28 Nov 2003, 03:31 (Ref:796631)

I think the likes of Honda should be made to supply other teams; just like they do in the IRL.

f1manoz · 28 Nov 2003, 06:53 (Ref:796723)

If F1 wasn't so damned expensive, then we would still have the days of the late 80s with 40 cars turning up every weekend. But it's the cycle of things...

Personally, I'd like to see privateer cars turn up and have a go. It would add some interest to an otherwise dull weekend...

Valve Bounce · 28 Nov 2003, 07:06 (Ref:796735)

This discussion seems to pop up regularly. I really don't see what use Ferrari, Williams and McLaren have for their cars of the previous season other than as museum pieces. Why not let a second string team run them? Whichever way you look at it, last year's McLaren is infinitely better than this year's Minardi.

DriverT · 28 Nov 2003, 07:10 (Ref:796744)

Yes, but they should have enough money in place to finish a season. We don't want people who waste their time, like LIFE, ANDREA MODA, etc.

Red · 28 Nov 2003, 07:35 (Ref:796774)

Quote:

Originally posted by jamescrofts
Its that B***** Concorde agreement that has ruined the sport!

James

You mean that they should allow more than 24 cars, when they can barely line up 20? Strange, never thought of that.

Valve Bounce · 28 Nov 2003, 07:35 (Ref:796775)

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Originally posted by DriverT
Yes, but they should have enough money in place to finish a season. We don't want people who waste their time, like LIFE, ANDREA MODA, etc.

Tell that to Bernie!! These guys are the ones putting on the act for the F1 fans, and they should be paid a helluva lot more/better.

I would refer you guys once again to the excellent thread by Wrex (can't remember where it is now) - without the privateers to bring up the rear, the factory teams will be folding pretty quick. F1 needs them.

climb · 28 Nov 2003, 10:24 (Ref:796896)

That not a problem of letting Bernie play with his friends: simply it's no more that F1

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