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20 Mar 2023, 12:20 (Ref:4148437) | #1826 | ||
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The problem is they want to keep the races in their pocket for any extended stoppages. I agree they could do with doing something though, I was watching BTCC at my brother’s house ages ago and my nephew came in and asked why they were racing ‘normal cars’. He didn’t even know motorsport outside of F1 existed. |
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20 Mar 2023, 12:41 (Ref:4148443) | #1828 | ||
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TCR is great for an amateur, or mid-level, but as a premier class, it's a tough sell. Uninspiring motor vehicles resulting in less spectacle and BoP-dominated results. |
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20 Mar 2023, 14:57 (Ref:4148480) | #1829 | ||
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Found some TransAm racing from the US on Motorsport mundial, looked pretty good,
Got me wondering why V8 Supercars build their own Mustangs and Camaro's instead of buying the TransAm ones - Most new cars these days seem to be SUV shape, would changing BTCC into a formula for TransAm type cars be a cost effective and entertaining way forward? Especially if can run on environmentally favourable fuels? As looks to me that car manufacturers going more full EV than hybrid anyway? |
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20 Mar 2023, 16:06 (Ref:4148494) | #1830 | ||
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It also has to mentioned that others like Gamble Hand Proctor etc prefer sabbatical than TCR drive . Trust in Alan Gow he has the know how and had dragged touring cars into new things before with great success . Unless their is a good alternative to this no sense ripping apart his reputation . We need good development series for the kids , like that enjoyed in Ginetta and then slight adjustments to be made to keep budgets sensible given level of racing that is anticipated and desired . |
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20 Mar 2023, 20:34 (Ref:4148536) | #1832 | |||
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Not many BTCC drivers of recent years have successfully managed to move up to TCR. |
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20 Mar 2023, 21:11 (Ref:4148546) | #1833 | ||
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Of those drivers with BTCC pedigree who have also raced TCR (I'm not sure I would qualify it as 'up' yet), I would say there are three categories: Successful None Competitive Huff (successful in STCC) Lloyd (successful in regional series) Struggled Priaulx Shedden Thompson Looking at the calibre of drivers, and their respective records in BTCC (and elsewhere) it suggests to me that the TCR discipline is a different challenge and for some drivers it's an adjustment that they are not able to make. It doesn't confirm (for me) that TCR is more or less difficult to be successful at - just different. |
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If you are talking wider TCR drivers - Mikel Azcona Troyas, Isidro Callejas, Dario Isidoro Vezzaro and Bailey Sweeny all look like they have the talent to be a major success in BTCC if they moved in that direction. |
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20 Mar 2023, 22:30 (Ref:4148562) | #1836 | ||
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Ash Sutton entered an Oulton TCR UK round a few years back and won both races by a country mile. He also dabbled in some TCR Europe a few years back and was a front runner. Spa rings a bell. TCR UK is looking stronger this year, it may be slightly less professional than the BTCC but at least it’s genuine and doesn’t have to follow silly agendas involving electric motors to tick boxes. |
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20 Mar 2023, 22:39 (Ref:4148566) | #1837 | ||
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(was delayed from last year) https://www.touringcars.net/2022/12/...yed-until-2024 |
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20 Mar 2023, 22:52 (Ref:4148569) | #1838 | ||
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Yes - I just felt that the volume of races for Ash in TCR is not enough to make a consideration of how successful he is in that formula. He hasn't completed a season of TCR to judge final standings against.
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20 Mar 2023, 23:09 (Ref:4148572) | #1839 | ||
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Will TCR UK run them regulations straight away I wonder? |
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21 Mar 2023, 00:57 (Ref:4148578) | #1840 | |
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Stewart Lines specifically stated that TCR UK won't go hybrid. Too costly, which I can understand with it just getting on it's feet. Plus he said on Facebook he simply doesn't like it.
I guess that means it won't be part of the TCR World Tour anytime soon. They'd have to switch to Kumho tyres, and I imagine by the time that could happen they'd have to be running hybrid. On the boring old TCR v BTCC thing, it's all about money. Look at TCR this year and it's like BTCC. Some talent at the front, and older drivers with backing at the rear. As for talent on the other side, the TCR drivers that are prospects are younger than their equivalents in the BTCC, how many really young drivers have made an impact in the last few years in BTCC. Patterson? Great talent, won't go anywhere I fear unless he doubles his budget. Like the post above said, Lewis Kent, had a good BTCC test. Lewis Brown, Jenson Brickley. Alex Ley. Look at that kid. In a year when Smiley walked it (Won two races at opposite ends of the year) Ley won three aged 17. None of the youngsters in either series re going to get a proper shot like Sutton did in 16/17. I think with finances as they are you're still going to find Turks, Sutton, Ingram and the like getting the top drives. And don't get me wrong, I'm a Smiley fan, but his 300K budget and unlimited tyres in testing scored less overall points than Issac Smith in a banged up old golf. There is a kid who has the speed and headspace to win in BTCC. Having said all that, I expect Boardley to win a race at least this year. If you can survive 10th to 20th in BTCC then you can handle the pressure at the front in TCR. Even if it's a reverse grid thing. |
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21 Mar 2023, 07:16 (Ref:4148595) | #1842 | |
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When discussing TCR it’s really not accuracy to compare TCR UK to the strength of some other, more serious series.
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21 Mar 2023, 09:24 (Ref:4148603) | #1843 | ||
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I always thought that they'd have had a better thing when they ran old BTCC cars, considering how many are about. Apart from the Audi S3 in Britcar are there any 'retired' NGTC cars being raced? I know they had the Matt Neal Civic, two Ciceley A Class, a BMW 125 and A Rob Austin Audi (plus a few BTCC teams at the end of 2019 ran their current cars in one race.) But ae they just too complicated for the average spanner? I've seen them online being advertised as decent for club racing but don't know of any that have been. |
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21 Mar 2023, 10:56 (Ref:4148623) | #1845 | |
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Vezzaro will probably stay in Argentina, that is still the top series over there. Don't know much about Montenegro
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21 Mar 2023, 12:29 (Ref:4148651) | #1848 | |
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Hi just to clarify my thoughts from yesterday I was only comparing BTCC with TCR UK . Unlike many others I have never watched or known much of the other series other than the little seen on tv for the World Series which was a very different kettle of fish but seemed bogged down by politics .
As others hint the UK series is a bit behind others In professionalism . Up to now only using 2nd hand cars and mainly for club drivers . I understand some new kit may be added this year with as mentioned elsewhere sone good but young drivers . However how do these drivers progress other than travelling overseas to race in areas of more prestige . Their doesn’t appear to be anything else strangely other than to potentially enter the BTCC . I don’t do streaming so up to now my knowledge is based on little more than space in the motoring press , all of which give extensive coverage to the tourers and just a few lines to others . If I can find ways I would like to watch more and see how it compares . |
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21 Mar 2023, 13:05 (Ref:4148655) | #1849 | |
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21 Mar 2023, 13:26 (Ref:4148663) | #1850 | |
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No no, I'm saying the BTCC is 'genuine' either, just that neither is TCR, l.o.l.
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