What is the approximate lap time difference between formula 3000 and F-3?

[Frank_White]

This is of interest to me because i have just observed on the Renault-Sport website that the renault v-6 boasts of having lap times approximately 2 seconds below f-3. Therefore, knowing the lap diffences between formula 3000 and F-3 would enable me to compare the performance between renault v-6 and f-3000.

[Shunt the Hunt]

At Magny-Cours, the pole-position was 1'11'185 for Formula 1 (Williams-BMW/Juan Pablo Montoya) vs 1'32'234 for Formula 3 (Dallara-Renault/Olivier Pla.

At Hockenheim, the pole-position was 1'14'382 for F1 (Ferrari/Michael Schumacher) vs 1'34'715 for F3 (Dallara-Opel/Kousuke Matsuura)

So, the gap between F1 and F3 is about 20 seconds.

[cos]

Going from the 2002 British GP:
F3000 pole time 1:36.529 (Enge)
F3 pole time: 1:43.052 (Carbone)

So the F3 cars are just within 107% of the F3000 cars.

[Frank_White]

i see! from the article in renault sport i was led to believe that the performance differences between the renault v-6 and f-3000 were less pronounced. however, i guess for the renault v-6 to be a legitimate feeder series for f1 of more significance would be; the similarity of the handling and set-up characteristics vis-a-vis the f1 cars and the renault v-6.

[Russfeld]

I kinda like the V6 actually just because F3s look like wussy cars. Good power and not much grip is the best. You can handle that you can handle anything. rolling wings were you mat the throttle arent very impressive.

[ringo]

yeah f3's sure look gay

[Cole Trickle]

Now if you you want to be a bit more technical rather than stupid, let's ask sensible questions...mr ringo.
Mini speed of an F3 car would be the sama as the 3000 car in the high speed stuff...and quicker in the low speed stuff. Sure it has to be for gays...
The lap time difference...generally around 5 seconds is due to the power...guess how big is the gap...
****ing 280 brake!!! and only 5 seconds!!! then you reallise how **** is the 3000 car.

Yeah F3 is for gays...wich means that 99% of the F1 drivers are puffter, as they all went through it. I love this place not!

[Russfeld]

lap time derived from grip is easier than lap time derived from power. Look at how many people complain that F3000 is too hard, or too different from F3, or whatever the excuse of the month is. Fact remains the truly gifted shine instantly in F3000 and F3k tends to show how fast people arent and embarasses a lot of people

[Red Dog]

"F3 gay.....wussy"????? when did you last drive anything which comes even close to the lap time of a f ford let alone F3? Get real, you guys.(russfeld, ringo)

[SALEEN S7R]

F3 cars do look gay. Its a fact. As for driving something close to the speed, gee well lets think, anyone here own a Toyota Supra? Or a Subaru Impreza WRX? or a BMW M3?

F3 cars arent that much faster than ur mid range performance road car. Christ a Sierra Cosworth woudnt be too far behind a F3 car over 1 lap. Now if u said a Formula Renault V6 car then people might take notice as they actually have a bit of a power advantage. As well as a decent chasis.

[Russfeld]

F3 cars are lame, so are Atlantics and Nissan 2 litres. Give me something with a lot of power and not much aero grip. Something you have to actually drive. When was the last time you saw an F3 car get a powerslide going?

[ivorsmall1]

So russfeld,when was the last time you had to drive something that wasnt your own arm eh!!I wish there were some more people on here that actualy knew what they were talking about,rather than your below average bobble hatter with a gigantic chip on their shoulder!!still,we live in hope......

[Russfeld]

Have you ever watched an F3 and F3000 race? You sound like the one with a chip on your shoulder. Give me laptime based on power instead of lap time based on grip any day

[ivorsmall1]

was only playing with you!!! F3 races are soooo boring.3000 races are only marginally better and thats only due to over ambitious driver causing shunts!

[Attila]

Well I drove both an old 94 F3 car and a 93 F3000 car. It is very vary hard to be on the pace with both cars, but they need different driving styles. I say that an F3 car is very easy to drive, but is very hard to drive fast. The f3000 car is just plain hard to drive. I think anybody who can drive an F3 car fast, can drive anything fast. Also, with a few exception it takes time to learn an F3000 car. It took Justin Wilson 4 seasons to win, Tomas Enge 5 seasons if I remember correct. Dominiqe Delestre told me that Panis for example was plain terrible with an F3000 car, in his early days. So do not generalise too much, a good driver will win in any category. Of course that is just an opinion.
Cheers