If you were Long Beach why would you sign on with CCWS next year!

[norman-normal]

I know where I would put an IRL car.... I'm sure it would fit,,, size does matter.

[Roninho]

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

We really don't know what the IRL would bring to Long Beach. A more secure contract, perhaps. As for the racing, let's see if the IRL has a good race at St. Pete's before drawing any conclusions.

I guess Toyota&Honda will probably spend a bit more money on tickets&promo compared to Ford. Toyota wouldn't mind having their own cars in the race they sponsor. At this moment there are also more teamsponsors in IRL, which could lead to more hospitality-sales. Also the names of Andretti, Rahal, Penkse as well as being connected to Indy isn't a bad benefit.

As for CC, i guess the tradition is a benefit. Also they have cars made for road/streetcourses, which could result in better races compared to IRL. The fact that the race is on NBC could be a benefit as well (results in a higher event sponsorship).

Imo it will come down to which series the people of LB have the most faith in, in terms of long term stability and potential of (some level of) succes. If i had to make the decision at this moment, the IRL seems to be the better choice, but things can change rapidly.

[Electrocuted]

Originally Posted by Roninho

Imo it will come down to which series the people of LB have the most faith in, in terms of long term stability and potential of (some level of) succes. If i had to make the decision at this moment, the IRL seems to be the better choice, but things can change rapidly.

The people of LB have little to do with it. Dover owns LBGP. Pook talked to TG back in 94 or 95 about switching. Dover told the Bnkrpt judge they didnt want to continue with OWRS. The late start getting the season confirmed and lack of sponsors spending money at the track doesnt help.

As anyone can observe,,, to keep it,, OWRS has to have a GREAT weekend, a great crowd over last years 70,000 race day, every support race has to have full fields putting on one heck of a show. The OWRS race has to be one of the best in years,, which I'm sure it will be since it's back to race and pit anyway you want from green to checker. And the new crew that replaced everyone layed off last Christmas,, must do their jobs well. Not an easy task since this is the first race.... And,,,, throughout the year OWRS teams must get sponsorship from larger corporations that will spend money at LB. I hope/think Dover will wait until later in the season to decide what to do next year,,, gives OWRS time to get their ducks in a row.

[Dov]

Long Beach getting ready for the Grand Prix

From presstelegram.com

[Snrub]

Originally Posted by Electrocuted

2004 IRL
30,000 Homestead
65,000 Motegi
250,000 Indy
85,000 Texas (I think it's a few thousand to high)
42,000 Richmond
50,000 Kansas
??,??? Nashville (40's I think ??????)
38,000 Mlwk
58,000 Kentucky
??,??? Pikes Peak (High 30's or low 40's I think??????)
60,000 Chicago
75,000 Texas

2004 OWRS
65,000 LB
28,000 Mlwk
25,000 Portland
20,000 Clvlnd
72,500 Toronto
26,000 Denver (I'm not sure,,, anyone have a reaonable number?)
5,000 Laguna
??,??? Vegas (Start of race attendance or towards end attendance??)
I didnt catch a few, the 2 Canada races were in the 60,000's I assume? Monterrey was close to 75,000? Mex City over 100,000!

I have to say that I am surprised at the IRL figures, I'd heard some of those, but not all of them. The Motegi and Chicago numbers are really surprising to me.

Other CC race day attendance:
Monterrey was 92,713
Mexico city was 212k
Surfer's was 107,321
Vancouver and Montreal they were in the 60Ks on race day, but TO is in Canada too.
Denver - I'm going by memory, but I believe was ~40k race day but they did announced a 112k weekend.

Vegas was a write-off. I think there were suppose to be about 15k at the end, but recall the Busch race before hand. Maybe 10k showed up for CC? I didn't realize that Laguna was so poor, that's just nuts!! Are you sure that's right? RA has also been omitted, but I'm sure it was a poor number.

[Electrocuted]

Originally Posted by Snrub

Other CC race day attendance:
Monterrey was 92,713
Mexico city was 212k
Surfer's was 107,321
Vancouver and Montreal they were in the 60Ks on race day, but TO is in Canada too.
Denver - I'm going by memory, but I believe was ~40k race day but they did announced a 112k weekend.

Vegas was a write-off. I think there were suppose to be about 15k at the end, but recall the Busch race before hand. Maybe 10k showed up for CC? I didn't realize that Laguna was so poor, that's just nuts!! Are you sure that's right? RA has also been omitted, but I'm sure it was a poor number.

RA,,,, oops. Wonder what it was?
The Laguna number is a fact. Sorry.
Thanks for the other numbers!

NOT wanting to start "the same old debate" again,,,, but there were a few forum posters that said things were slow Friday and Saturday at Denver,, and all of a sudden there's over 100,000 for the weekend. Most dont think thats an accurate figure for the people there..... if ya know what I mean.
Anyway's,,,,, I'm remembering 30,000 stated from somewhere?? Oh well,,, anywhere between 30 and 40 thousand is a good OW race number.

BTW, this is a great site. Can discuss numbers, drivers, and races without all the non-sense name calling and flames like at other boards..... thanks everyone!

[Amar7605]

Hey no prob, electrocuted. We're all a friendly bunch, especially when we don't agree! Welcome!

[luke]

Always nice to see new fans, join the forum.

Welcome Electrocuted!

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Electrocuted

RA,,,, oops. Wonder what it was?
The Laguna number is a fact. Sorry.
Thanks for the other numbers!

NOT wanting to start "the same old debate" again,,,, but there were a few forum posters that said things were slow Friday and Saturday at Denver,, and all of a sudden there's over 100,000 for the weekend. Most dont think thats an accurate figure for the people there..... if ya know what I mean.
Anyway's,,,,, I'm remembering 30,000 stated from somewhere?? Oh well,,, anywhere between 30 and 40 thousand is a good OW race number.

BTW, this is a great site. Can discuss numbers, drivers, and races without all the non-sense name calling and flames like at other boards..... thanks everyone!

By no means were things "slow" at Denver on Friday and Saturday.

[Snrub]

Originally Posted by Electrocuted

BTW, this is a great site. Can discuss numbers, drivers, and races without all the non-sense name calling and flames like at other boards..... thanks everyone!

I think so too. Feel free to stick around, we're always happy for new people to start posting.

[Electrocuted]

Originally Posted by Amar7605

especially when we don't agree!

Hey,, that's me. Mr. I Dont Agree!!

Thanks everyone...
I try to just stick around the Biz, management and numbers threads. For those of you that havnt seen me at other forums,, you'll see why I tend to avoid "feel good" threads.

[JohnSSC]

If everyone agreed all the time, there would be nothing to discuss!

Welcome to the Forum, Electrocuted.

[luke]

After the critzium of the current layout, interestingly on the official website, it has poll on....'Which temporary circuit has the best layout for Champ Car racing?'

31% Cleveland
30% Long Beach
22% Surfers Paradise, Australia
12% Toronto
3% Denver

I voted Surfers incase you wondered.

[racerkeke]

I think the issue is not how many people were listed as attending but how many were PAID attendees -- and paid without coercion. Both the IRL and Champ give away tickets (to celebs, to radio stations for contests, etc.), but I don't believe Champ has yet stooped as low as the IRL at Vegas, where they gave away tickets as freebies to casino players. Or like at many ISC tracks, where people who have had the same seats for the same NASCAR races every year were told that they could no longer have them... unless they also bought tickets for the IRL race at the same track.

I consider the IRL's attendance figures suspect, and not just because I'm a Champ fan. And to bring this back to the topic of Long Beach, the weather has more to do with how many show up than anything else, IMO. If the weather's crappy (like three years ago) people stay home. I think that's true for many outdoor events in the LA area.

Looking forward to seeing Racegypsy and many of our other 10th-10ths friends there,

keke

[luke]

Roll on the 31st Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. link