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Old 16 Feb 2001, 12:00 (Ref:65045)   #1
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Liz should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridLiz should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid

Could someone please explain the difference between the cars that run in F3 and F3000? Thank you.
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Old 16 Feb 2001, 12:16 (Ref:65048)   #2
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There are differences in dimensions but the major differences are;
F3 uses 2.0l production based engines F3000 uses a 3.0 V8 racing engine, aswell as F3000 being a spec car formula whereas F3 can use a variety of engine/chassis cobinations.
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Old 16 Feb 2001, 12:33 (Ref:65052)   #3
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Effectively that means F3's produce about 220BHP, as they are limited by air restrictors, and an F3000 produces around 450BHP. F3 cars are lighter, run on smaller tyres, over shorter race distances.

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Old 16 Feb 2001, 16:56 (Ref:65089)   #4
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So F3 is a "lower" formula than F3000?
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Old 16 Feb 2001, 19:14 (Ref:65109)   #5
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Yes, its the rung below F3000. However, some people think that F3 resembles F1 closer than F3000, which is why in recent years we have seen drivers skipping F3000 and going straight nto F1.
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Old 17 Feb 2001, 01:53 (Ref:65175)   #6
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That was my next question, actually - if a person were to race in F3, would he then have to go to F3000 before he moved up? Or assuming he did an outstanding job in F3, would it be possible that someone in F1 might give him a chance? This isn't just idle questioning - I have someone in particular in mind.
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Old 17 Feb 2001, 10:44 (Ref:65207)   #7
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Well, Button made the skip, to quote the most obvious one. And Raikkonen too, I think?

What is very telling is just how few F3000 champions seem to have achieved great things in F1. I mean, only two F1 winners and 3 ChampCar winners between them so far...?

Christian Danner, Ivan Capelli, Stefano Modena, Roberto Moreno, Jean Alesi, Erik Comas, Christian Fittipaldi, Luca Badoer, Olivier Panis, Jean-Christophe Boullion, Vincenzo Sospiri, Jorg Muller, Ricardo Zonta, Juan-Pablo Montoya, Nick Heidfeld and Bruno Junquiera.

It reads like a list of "next big thing" drivers, and yet... Maybe Mr Montoya can crack the mould this year.
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Old 17 Feb 2001, 11:26 (Ref:65213)   #8
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No, Kimi didn't even do F3. He competed in British Formula Renault 2000 last year.

Don't forget that Damon Hill raced very competitively in F3000 and would have been a multiple winner in more reliable equipment.
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Old 17 Feb 2001, 12:13 (Ref:65218)   #9
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Ah, I knew there was a reason that there was a niggling doubt in my mind over Raikkonen.

And to think I even saw him running at Snetterton in the FRenault!
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Old 18 Feb 2001, 11:44 (Ref:65361)   #10
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Drivers such as Gil de Ferran, Massimiliano Papis, Kenny Brack, David Coulthard, Rubens Barrichello and Alessandro Zanardi have also graduated through F3000 without winning it, but finishing 5th or better in the final standings in one or more seasons.
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Old 18 Feb 2001, 19:56 (Ref:65423)   #11
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Raikkonen will be fine - international kart experience means a hell of a lot more than people think
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Old 19 Feb 2001, 10:04 (Ref:65504)   #12
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Maybe Raikonnen will be fine, I don't think that's really the point anymore. The point is that the FIA have made an incredible exception to their rules for him, for no apparent reason, and now everyone will think they deserve the right to be in Formula One because they've completed a couple of races in FRenault. Maybe his kart experience does count for more than people think, but don't forget he hasn't actually completely an whole season in a car (I know I harp on at this fact but...) he wimped out of his first season before half way through when he realised he wasn't going to win because he wasn't with 'the best' team. And the following season, when he was with them, he stopped racing as soon as he won the championship! That indicates to me, than unless Sauber have secretly managed to build a championship winning car without anyone noticing over the winter, then little Kimi might throw a tantrum and pull out.

Sorry, I know it's really the wrong forum for this rant, but I can't help thinking the FIA are damaging formula's like their own F3000, as well as their standing in authority by effectively undermining themselves to allow Kimi to race.

So there
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Old 19 Feb 2001, 10:43 (Ref:65506)   #13
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you have a point about the tantrums...

however I have no intrinsic problem with drivers going pretty much straight to F1 from karts, and if Raikkonen is a pioneer in that respect then so much the better. However I don't think it will happen now with many drivers as it would otherwise because Super A is now very limited, which is pushing lots of very worthy drivers into cars before they have fulifilled their kart potential. That IMO will do more to stop drivers leapfrogging formulae than not granting F1 Superlicenses.
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