New Points System

mabs_nsx · 27 Jul 2005, 13:28 (Ref:1364674)

1st=48
2nd=40
3rd=34
4th=30
5th=28
6th=26
7th=24
8th=22
9th=20
10th=18
11th=16
12th=14
13th=12
14th=10
15th=9
16th=8
17th=7
18th=6
19th=5
20th=4
21st=3
22nd=2
23rd=1
24th=1
25th=1
26th=1
27th=1
28th=1
29th=1
30th=1
31st=1
32nd=1
33rd=1

Pole=1

luke · 27 Jul 2005, 14:47 (Ref:1364729)

Could be used for the IRL Indy 500 race but other than that.....

BootsOntheSide · 27 Jul 2005, 15:10 (Ref:1364736)

I'm lost for words.

2112 · 27 Jul 2005, 15:15 (Ref:1364739)

Is this for real?

Kicking-back · 27 Jul 2005, 16:22 (Ref:1364787)

No

Cowboy · 27 Jul 2005, 16:57 (Ref:1364819)

Where do you get these odd dreams from ?

mandretti39 · 27 Jul 2005, 17:07 (Ref:1364832)

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Amar7605 · 27 Jul 2005, 17:21 (Ref:1364845)

Yeah what's your point, mabs?

Snrub · 27 Jul 2005, 17:27 (Ref:1364848)

I don't like the idea of everyone getting points. I liked the old system where up to 12th got points. There needs to be a premium for finishing well, not just for finishing. I think with the current 18 car field points up to 10th would make more sense. 10th position getting 3/8th of what the guy who finished 1st is not justifyable unless you want to create a championship based on reliability.

Kicking-back · 27 Jul 2005, 17:30 (Ref:1364852)

The F1 system 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 would work well in ChampCar.

I hate all these gimmick points for pole, fastest lap, best colour-scheme etc etc

BootsOntheSide · 27 Jul 2005, 17:45 (Ref:1364868)

Going back to the old system woudl eb my choice, as it's the championship's tradition and giving poitns to 12 cars out fo 18 seems about right. The current F1 system would eb an acceptable alternative, although I don't feel that a 20% differnce between 1st and 2nd is enough.

Kicking-back · 27 Jul 2005, 17:48 (Ref:1364873)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Going back to the old system woudl eb my choice, as it's the championship's tradition and giving poitns to 12 cars out fo 18 seems about right. The current F1 system would eb an acceptable alternative, although I don't feel that a 20% differnce between 1st and 2nd is enough.

The old CART system had a 20% difference too - 20 points to 16

drewdawg727 · 27 Jul 2005, 18:01 (Ref:1364894)

it's ridiculous how cars that should be in DNF mode want to "get their car fixed" so that they can race around the track and hope for attrition to get points.

(i.e. Andrew Ranger at Edmonton - rookie of the year)

to criticize the points system that was posted on top, i think it's pointless to give 10 people 1 point...

captain crunch · 27 Jul 2005, 18:53 (Ref:1364937)

FWIW i personally despise the F1A points system (Used in f1,wrc,wtcc and so on). I find it absolutely ridiculous that finishing in 9th place gets the same as 19th, where's the motivation at the back of the grid? Why bother trying a risky overtaking move if there's no points on offer? Doesn't do much for the entertainment aspect, does it? If you've got no chance of getting into the top 8 because of a poor car (or whatever reason), then why bother entering if you've nothing to gain from it championship-wise? Each position needs to be worth more points than the position behind it. Bonus points are good for those with a fast but unreliable car, or those who've fallen behind because of pitlane faux-pas or other circumstances- they can try for the fastest lap, or change strategy to gain a point for leading. Points are not really some sort of commodity to be won, that's what the prizemoney's for, but a means of grading a driver or team's performance over the course of a season. Imagine two drivers competing in (for the sake of argument) f1. One consistently records ninth and tenth place finishes all season long. The other struggles to do better than 19th, yet both arrive at the final round of the season on nil points . If you looked at the points standings, you'd get the impression they're just as good as each other, which is obviously not the case. In principle i'm in favour of a generous points allocation which awards points to all competitors, increasing with every position gained. That's where mabs's suggestion falls short in my opinion. I would not advocate a NASCAR-style points system, as it's at the other extreme- each position gained does gain points, but the increments are that small that sometimes it's not worth the risk to attempt a pass, and one bad result ruins an entire season.

There's bound to be a happy medium in there somewhere.........

Kicking-back · 27 Jul 2005, 18:56 (Ref:1364942)

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Originally Posted by captain crunch

FWIW i personally despise the F1A points system (Used in f1,wrc,wtcc and so on). I find it absolutely ridiculous that finishing in 9th place gets the same as 19th, where's the motivation at the back of the grid? Why bother trying a risky overtaking move if there's no points on offer? Doesn't do much for the entertainment aspect, does it? If you've got no chance of getting into the top 8 because of a poor car (or whatever reason), then why bother entering if you've nothing to gain from it championship-wise? Each position needs to be worth more points than the position behind it. Bonus points are good for those with a fast but unreliable car, or those who've fallen behind because of pitlane faux-pas or other circumstances- they can try for the fastest lap, or change strategy to gain a point for leading. Points are not really some sort of commodity to be won, that's what the prizemoney's for, but a means of grading a driver or team's performance over the course of a season. Imagine two drivers competing in (for the sake of argument) f1. One consistently records ninth and tenth place finishes all season long. The other struggles to do better than 19th, yet both arrive at the final round of the season on nil points . If you looked at the points standings, you'd get the impression they're just as good as each other, which is obviously not the case. In principle i'm in favour of a generous points allocation which awards points to all competitors, increasing with every position gained. That's where mabs's suggestion falls short in my opinion. I would not advocate a NASCAR-style points system, as it's at the other extreme- each position gained does gain points, but the increments are that small that sometimes it's not worth the risk to attempt a pass, and one bad result ruins an entire season.

There's bound to be a happy medium in there somewhere.........

The point of only rewarding the top 8 is to encourage excellence.

I hate hearing NASCAR drivers saying finishing 12 got them "good points".

ensign14 · 27 Jul 2005, 21:35 (Ref:1365069)

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain crunch

Imagine two drivers competing in (for the sake of argument) f1. One consistently records ninth and tenth place finishes all season long. The other struggles to do better than 19th, yet both arrive at the final round of the season on nil points .

Points are the absolute worst invention ever. Racing is not about finishing 8th or 9th, it is about winning.

How is it that a 2nd and 4th is seen in any way as equivalent as 1st and 6th? Or a 9th and 13th better than a 5th and 23rd? Or whatever? Totally abstract, random, pointless.

Jordi · 27 Jul 2005, 22:41 (Ref:1365110)

The old CART system was okay, there wasn't a need to mess with it but they did.

D.R.T. · 28 Jul 2005, 03:50 (Ref:1365213)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordi

The old CART system was okay, there wasn't a need to mess with it but they did.

No I dont think so. The 20 , 16, 14 etc points system was great. 1 point for pole is a good move.

Whilst talking about nascar, my biggest problem with their scoring is at the end of the year, when I look at the top 5, driver 1 is 4000 points or whatever. Its just my opinion but thats ridiculous.

Jordi · 28 Jul 2005, 08:48 (Ref:1365341)

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

No I dont think so. The 20 , 16, 14 etc points system was great. 1 point for pole is a good move.

I think you didn't understand my post.

rustyfan · 28 Jul 2005, 12:39 (Ref:1365524)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I hate hearing NASCAR drivers saying finishing 12 got them "good points".

Not sure what the point is in comparing it to NASCAR, seeing as they have more than double the amount of cars on track for each race compared to Formula 1, Champ Car and, sometimes, IndyCar. Finishing 12th out of 43 starters ain't that bad, IMHO.

With that said, there are some reports suggesting that NASCAR is looking at introducing a points cut-off point, to discourage teams from sending out cars that have been repaired after wrecks.

rustyfan · 28 Jul 2005, 12:44 (Ref:1365532)

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Whilst talking about nascar, my biggest problem with their scoring is at the end of the year, when I look at the top 5, driver 1 is 4000 points or whatever. Its just my opinion but thats ridiculous.

Does it matter? They're just numbers...

D.R.T. · 28 Jul 2005, 13:02 (Ref:1365551)

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

No I dont think so. The 20 , 16, 14 etc points system was great. 1 point for pole is a good move.

Apologies Jordi, it was a bit late and in my haste to leave the computer I have hade brain fade. I'm not sure how I managed to come up with that sentence.

In clarification, Yes I do agree with your post.

Rustyfan, it dont matter I suppose just a pet hate for me.

Jordi · 28 Jul 2005, 13:13 (Ref:1365564)

As for big numbers, Champ Car used to be like this. In 1983 came into place the 20-16-14... system but before that points were similar to those of NASCAR. Longer races scored more, too. (Or something to that effect)

N I Tram · 28 Jul 2005, 13:14 (Ref:1365565)

The old system was perfect,especially as the points for poles and leading the most laps meant that a dominant winner got nearly 50% more points than the runner-up.

drewdawg727 · 28 Jul 2005, 14:31 (Ref:1365648)

maybe the points should differ depending on how many miles the race is? Longer races get more points?

Never mind, that's too confusing

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