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Old 25 Apr 2010, 02:55 (Ref:2679186)   #691
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Well, here's something that can be speculated on: Do the displays on the steering wheels or dashboards give speeds? I know that in a photo that Audi released as part of TK's LM countdown I posted in the Audi 2010 topic does display laptimes when asked to do so, but from the onboards from the AMR Lola, I noticed a readout that read numbers in the 320.xxx-325.xxx range-was that km/h?
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Old 30 Apr 2010, 00:06 (Ref:2681969)   #692
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... I don't think that the Pug's are all that reliable, certinaly not much more so than the R15 or R10-aside from overheating problems at LM, the only reliabilty issues that the R15 had was a CV joint scare at Sebring during practice-and that was just a scare-and a similar issue with a rear shock/damper at PLM-also during testing.
The #3 R15 was plagued with all sorts of problems at Le Mans '09 and made many unscheduled pitstops. I think they even had to change out a turbo on the car.

The McNish/Kristensen/Capello Audi R15 at Le Mans '09 suffered from overheating throughout the entire race that called for costly unscheduled pitstops and trips into the garage. The problem was so bad it was costing them power and the car almost lost 3rd to an Aston Martin late in the race

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Since the R15's debut, one 908 blew a gearbox at Sebring and had cooling fan issues, and one almost didn't make the start due to hydraulic problems. At LM, one car sustained a broken suspension or a wheel bearing while leading, and the cars that finished 1-2 had brake and clutch problems. And it seems that the 908s have a tendancy to crack tubs-which caused scares at Sebring both in '09 and '10. And then there's Oreca's engine failure during testing, which if it's a 2010 engine, might be cause for concern for the factory team unless they know it was a freak deal.
All 3 factory Peugeots finished the '09 Le Mans 24 hours
Both factory Peugeots finished 5 hours at at Petit Le Mans '09
Both factory Peugeots finished 12 hours of Sebring '10

That's roughly 40 straight hours of racing with all cars finishing the race essentially trouble free. Throw out the silly pitstop problem oreca suffered at Paul Ricard and thats 8 more hours.

Since 2007 7 out of 8 factory Peugeot 908s have finished the Le Mans 24 hours.

Since 2007 6 out of 9 Factory Audis have finished the Le Mans 24 hours.

If I remember correctly Bourdais or Montagny (cant remember which) said that the brake problems at Le Mans '09 turned out to not be a problem at all. He said Peugeot told them to back it down when they were chasing the #9 for the overall lead but later said there was no reason to as the brakes were fine. The engineers misread info or something.

If the #7 Peugeot didn't have the pit incident (which damaged contributed to its later problems) Le Mans '09 would have been a clean 1-2-3 sweep by Peugeot.

Since Peugeot returned to Le Mans in 2007 they have put 5 of 8 cars on the podium compared to Audi putting 3 of 9 on the podium. Audi has entered 3 cars per race since 2007, but only 1 car managed to finish on the podium each year. Peugeot is nearly averaging 2 cars on the podium per year. Peugeot has flat out done a better job then Audi these last few years. And with almost twice as many cars taking podiums I say the reliabiliy of the 908 is just fine.

I would love to dig more into the 8 hours of Paul Ricard but there was no real reason to, too much sandbagging and a team relatively inexperienced with the 908 (ORECA) working with a hand me down car.

Spa will give a much clearer picture, but we really wont know for sure until June 12 when they actually go racing...until then its just educated guesses.

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but from the onboards from the AMR Lola, I noticed a readout that read numbers in the 320.xxx-325.xxx range-was that km/h?
Has to be kph, I noticed it too, it seemed to stall out in the 32x.xxx range as it would reach it quite quickly but never seemed to go to 330+. Aston Martin should have the top speed at Le Mans this year.

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Old 30 Apr 2010, 12:24 (Ref:2682164)   #693
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The #3 R15 was plagued with all sorts of problems at Le Mans '09 and made many unscheduled pitstops. I think they even had to change out a turbo on the car.

The McNish/Kristensen/Capello Audi R15 at Le Mans '09 suffered from overheating throughout the entire race that called for costly unscheduled pitstops and trips into the garage. The problem was so bad it was costing them power and the car almost lost 3rd to an Aston Martin late in the race



All 3 factory Peugeots finished the '09 Le Mans 24 hours
Both factory Peugeots finished 5 hours at at Petit Le Mans '09
Both factory Peugeots finished 12 hours of Sebring '10

That's roughly 40 straight hours of racing with all cars finishing the race essentially trouble free. Throw out the silly pitstop problem oreca suffered at Paul Ricard and thats 8 more hours.

Since 2007 7 out of 8 factory Peugeot 908s have finished the Le Mans 24 hours.

Since 2007 6 out of 9 Factory Audis have finished the Le Mans 24 hours.

If I remember correctly Bourdais or Montagny (cant remember which) said that the brake problems at Le Mans '09 turned out to not be a problem at all. He said Peugeot told them to back it down when they were chasing the #9 for the overall lead but later said there was no reason to as the brakes were fine. The engineers misread info or something.

If the #7 Peugeot didn't have the pit incident (which damaged contributed to its later problems) Le Mans '09 would have been a clean 1-2-3 sweep by Peugeot.

Since Peugeot returned to Le Mans in 2007 they have put 5 of 8 cars on the podium compared to Audi putting 3 of 9 on the podium. Audi has entered 3 cars per race since 2007, but only 1 car managed to finish on the podium each year. Peugeot is nearly averaging 2 cars on the podium per year. Peugeot has flat out done a better job then Audi these last few years. And with almost twice as many cars taking podiums I say the reliabiliy of the 908 is just fine.

I would love to dig more into the 8 hours of Paul Ricard but there was no real reason to, too much sandbagging and a team relatively inexperienced with the 908 (ORECA) working with a hand me down car.

Spa will give a much clearer picture, but we really wont know for sure until June 12 when they actually go racing...until then its just educated guesses.



Has to be kph, I noticed it too, it seemed to stall out in the 32x.xxx range as it would reach it quite quickly but never seemed to go to 330+. Aston Martin should have the top speed at Le Mans this year.
Your correct in many of your comparisons, but you forget the simple fact that Audi won 07 and 08 where Peugeot only won 09.
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Old 30 Apr 2010, 13:07 (Ref:2682177)   #694
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The biggest problem that the #3 Audi had at LM last year was a fuel pump problem what seemed to be a once in a million problem, like the Pug's airjack problem was(aside from the fact that it was rumored to be hydraulics related, which to me has always been a Peugeot sticking point, as those hydraulics haven't always been reliable, even recently as last year), as well as drivers who rode the curbs too hard and jammed the power steering and had too little expirence in an LMP1 car.

In reality, the problems that Peugeot had at LM and such are more numerous and their sheer speed negated a lot of that, especially in '08. But as has been proven, if you have issues, a fast car won't always save you. Yes, the Pugs should be more reliable now, but how much of that is the ACO ratcheting back the diesels-smaller air restrictors and reduced turbocharger boost means less power and more fuel mileage, and above all else less stress on the car's mechanicals. The years that the Pugs had trouble was the years with the big air restrictors and turbo boost numbers.

Audi on the other hand last year got side tracked with an aero concept that didn't pay the dividends they wanted, and had to hire at the last minute two drivers(Bernhard and Dumas) who had little LMP1 experience and didn't like the R15-how they adapt to the 2010 R15 may rule for or against their future at Audi. And don't get me started on the Porsche/VW politics, which although resolved in VW's favor due to Porsche's near bankruptcy, it still took away from the LM program.

Audi seems to be more focused this year with a car that they seem to have confidence in once more, and are going up against a car even though Peugeot seem to have confidence in, it seems to have minimal development compared to last year, due in part likely to Peugeot's own fincancial concerns. Either Peugeot believes that the all-motor 908 is still the ticket to LM, or they've saved the R&D money for a rainy day(read 909, or more likely, the LMIC).

Audi's cars have tended to be more reliable at LM, while Peugeot seems to be faster. Last year, with Audi somewhat sidetracked, Peugeot got luck on their side for once. But like with Audi last year, Peugeot's luck can run out, but we won't find out until June, won't we?
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Old 30 Apr 2010, 15:05 (Ref:2682228)   #695
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It didn't help Audi #3 last year either, that they stuffed it at Indianapolis only a few laps into the race.

I still think Audi are vulnerable to those same overheating problems as last year. There's still plenty of that open real-estate on the front end to collect errant gravel.

Also, did they ever track down conclusively what failed on the #2 Audi last year that put the car in the wall hard at the entrance to the Porsche Curves?
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Old 30 Apr 2010, 20:24 (Ref:2682372)   #696
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Main problem with the R15 at Le Mans last year was trash getting into the intercoolers, probably due in part to the louvred sidepods. The screen infront of the radiators caught the stuff from under the nose of the car, but not the stuff that went over the sidepods and into those louvres. Hence why Audi has closed off the sidepods(also to reduce drag) and made it easier to clean the radiator intakes. Also, reportedly, the R15's front diffuser has numerous tuning vanes/vortex generators to function as stakes instead of two big stakes, but they also help filter out the debris from the track as well. The LM spec 908 gets most of it's air in much the same was as the R15 does now-from under or around the front diffuser.
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After all this analysis one thing is clear - it should be one hell of a race in June
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After all this analysis one thing is clear - it should be one hell of a race in June
not only in June, things will start in all seriousness this weekend at Spa
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