*LMS Finale* Race thread, Silverstone Sept 12-14, 08 - Page 8

**Bentley03** · 18 Sep 2008, 07:27 (Ref:2293038)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley03

My thoughts..........

Embassy #45 - the niggly restarting problem(s) and Jonny's subsquent red light infringement aside, the team ran a brilliant race.

There are 2 comprehensive Embassy race reports on line, one on the Embassy website, the other (free to view) on Daily Sportscar. The report on the Embassy website explains in detail the reason for, and consequences of, the mechanical woes that befell the #45 and cost them their podium..........

Embassy website race report

Daily Sportscar race report (with pictures)

Aslak Vind · 18 Sep 2008, 10:31 (Ref:2293118)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley03

There are 2 comprehensive Embassy race reports on line, one on the Embassy website, the other (free to view) on Daily Sportscar. The report on the Embassy website explains in detail the reason for, and consequences of, the mechanical woes that befell the #45 and cost them their podium..........

Embassy website race report

Daily Sportscar race report (with pictures)

Exciting read, good pics!

chernaudi · 18 Sep 2008, 11:40 (Ref:2293147)

Afert being away for almost 4 days(I lost power Sunday afternoon, and just got it back this morning), I have to get this off of my chest. I have to say that Peugeot losing all three championships was the biggest choke I've seen in motorsports in quite a while. Le Mans '08 ranks up there, but then again, everyone knew that the Audis were the superior car in the wet, and much of the race was held in the rain, and the Pugs had the suspected mechanical problems that even some of their highers ups(namely one M. Famin) predicted.

The Peugeot guys had both titles in their grasp, and only had to basically finish the race to get at least one. But guess what-Audi finally applied the pressure, and Peugeot snapped and collapsed-just like Le Mans.

I don't believe that Peugeot is yet prepared to really take on Audi in high pressure/big race situlations-granted, Peugeot didn't expect to win at Sebring, and are/were going into PLM with a similar mind set. But if Peugeot thought that the Joest guys were tough, the Champion guys in the ALMS-and the LMP2 teams, for that matter-are a different ballgame. Peugeot just doesn't seem to learn from their mistakes, and alwayss seem to believe that performance can always make up for other flaws. And that approch will always cost them in the big races.

We have to face facts-for the first time since LM '07(or, some can/will say Spa '08)Audi was fully on the Pugs' pace, and was able to challenge them in a heads up fight-and the better prepared/drilled team won.

cmk · 18 Sep 2008, 21:11 (Ref:2293407)

While I totally agree with you that PLM will be a mountain to climb for Porsche, you do the Joest team a great (and frankly surprising) disservice by rating them so much lower than the ALMS teams. Joest basically wrote the book for Audi, for one thing, and the rest of the P2 brigade has had Audi as their yardstick from the start. Furthermore, there is substantial overlap between the Audi operations on both sides of the Atlantic at the upper levels - we can expect to see Dr. Ulrich and Ralf Juttner, among others, present at all major races. The Audi organization is pure class on both sides of the Atlantic.

The Badger · 18 Sep 2008, 22:17 (Ref:2293448)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chernaudi

But if Peugeot thought that the Joest guys were tough, the Champion guys in the ALMS-and the LMP2 teams, for that matter-are a different ballgame.

No team is better than Joest , private or works .... and they have proven themselves time & time again with his team involved in 1984 , 85 , 94 , 96 , 97 , 00 , 01 , 02 , 03 , 05 , 06 , 07 and 08 overall Le Mans wins . Not to mention other blue riband events like the Daytona 24 and Sebring too and numerous ALMS championships .

About the best there is .

cmk · 18 Sep 2008, 22:31 (Ref:2293453)

To be fair, the crewers on a lot of those more recent LM wins were shared with Champion. Hence my point that separating Audi organizations on quality is rather fiat. It's all one big umbrella.

minimangler · 19 Sep 2008, 00:30 (Ref:2293491)

OK then, here are my faves;

Flirting with the Charouz girls;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856908517/

Audi 1;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2858816577/

Brake glow on Oreca #6;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2858794213/

Art with Oreca;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2858012658/

Lola Aston from above;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2857097811/

Love him or hate him...he did very well, Jos;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856777957/

Audi 1 at Becketts;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856917113/

RML;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856911835/

Well lit wheels;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853767281/

Of course, the Hybrid picture;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853767222/

Virgo;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853148782/

The Vantage;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2852315835/

And just about my favourite favourite, 908;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853102034/

Sadly, a lot of my stuff from Saturday, like this of the Spyker;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853081920/
seems to have a "dirty" feel, and I can't lose it in photoshop. Obviously, the car has also had a mucky, non track related incident too!

Please note; I'm not doing this really for self promotion, more because I know how much I love browsing other people's photos, so I hope you lot get as much from these as I do from yours.

Thanks, Jake.

EDIT: Crikey, I need to get more picky.

EDIT EDIT: Ayse, I've got an absolute heap of old Autosports, from 2006 era that I found the other day, if you're up for a part/ex.

chernaudi · 19 Sep 2008, 07:57 (Ref:2293588)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmk

While I totally agree with you that PLM will be a mountain to climb for Porsche, you do the Joest team a great (and frankly surprising) disservice by rating them so much lower than the ALMS teams. Joest basically wrote the book for Audi, for one thing, and the rest of the P2 brigade has had Audi as their yardstick from the start. Furthermore, there is substantial overlap between the Audi operations on both sides of the Atlantic at the upper levels - we can expect to see Dr. Ulrich and Ralf Juttner, among others, present at all major races. The Audi organization is pure class on both sides of the Atlantic.

Remember how bad Audi screwed up at Sebring this year with Joest at the helm? Granted, he's been with Audi since the beginning, and no one is perfect, but he and his boys screwed the pooch at Sebring-a race that Audi easily should've won.

And remember late '03 in the ALMS-Joest's last full season in the ALMS. He may've laid the ground work for Champion's dominance there after, but Champion did the same as Joest-hire the best people for the job, and let do the job. And I'm not the only one who says that Champion can take on Joest and win-ask anyone who saw what happened in '03, or saw what Champion has done to the present.

Also, might I ask, if it's true that Joest is still the benchmark, why hasn't he done a full season anything with Audi's LMP program from '04-'07? I believe that Audi not having Joest do more with the R10 program aside from Le Mans until this year(you know-"if you don't use it, you lose it") caused a lot of the Joest teams' early problems this year, namely at Sebring and Monza. Those races-and Champion's dominance in the ALMS-were probably a wake up call for Joest and Audi to get back on the same page, and get there fast if they wanted to beat Peugeot in the LMS and at Le Mans.

Granted, the man and his men aren't perfect, and neither is Champion or Audi Sport itself, but I just find what happened at Sebring and Monza inexcusable given the standard the Reinhold Joest has set for himself. Though as I've said, that's probably the fault of Audi Sport as much if not more for simply not letting him do more races until this year. The errors made in those races were relatively minor, but by Joest standards those races(especially Sebring) were disasters.

Aslak Vind · 19 Sep 2008, 09:10 (Ref:2293615)

Minimangler and others..

Its not selfpromotion, I think many on this board love discussing pictures and seeing nice racecars. So keep it up

CTD · 19 Sep 2008, 12:27 (Ref:2293701)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Minimangler and others..

Its not selfpromotion, I think many on this board love discussing pictures and seeing nice racecars. So keep it up

Completely right!
It's called sharing. It would be self promotion if the pictures where trying to highlight the photographers skills!
Love all the photo's we get!, Thanks a lot, to you all!

minimangler · 19 Sep 2008, 21:57 (Ref:2293959)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Minimangler and others..

Its not selfpromotion, I think many on this board love discussing pictures and seeing nice racecars. So keep it up

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTD

Completely right!
It's called sharing. It would be self promotion if the pictures where trying to highlight the photographers skills!
Love all the photo's we get!, Thanks a lot, to you all!

It's true, but some on this forum don't share that opinion

JAG · 19 Sep 2008, 23:48 (Ref:2294024)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

OK then, here are my faves;

Flirting with the Charouz girls;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856908517/

Audi 1;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2858816577/

Brake glow on Oreca #6;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2858794213/

Art with Oreca;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2858012658/

Lola Aston from above;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2857097811/

Love him or hate him...he did very well, Jos;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856777957/

Audi 1 at Becketts;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856917113/

RML;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2856911835/

Well lit wheels;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853767281/

Of course, the Hybrid picture;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853767222/

Virgo;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853148782/

The Vantage;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2852315835/

And just about my favourite favourite, 908;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853102034/

Sadly, a lot of my stuff from Saturday, like this of the Spyker;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jymp/2853081920/
seems to have a "dirty" feel, and I can't lose it in photoshop. Obviously, the car has also had a mucky, non track related incident too!

Please note; I'm not doing this really for self promotion, more because I know how much I love browsing other people's photos, so I hope you lot get as much from these as I do from yours.

Thanks, Jake.

EDIT: Crikey, I need to get more picky.

EDIT EDIT: Ayse, I've got an absolute heap of old Autosports, from 2006 era that I found the other day, if you're up for a part/ex.

I've always been a car man but that Jos photo is A+.

minimangler · 19 Sep 2008, 23:55 (Ref:2294029)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

I've always been a car man but that Jos photo is A+.

Thanks.

It was a blood nice surprise to see he'd noticed the lens pointing at his mirror, i hadn't spotted it at the time.

Mike_Wooshy · 5 Oct 2008, 23:58 (Ref:2305066)

sorry to this up I finally got around to putting some pictures online. They are on my facebook, I would put a link but I think you have to be friends to see them???

danny87 · 8 Oct 2008, 21:47 (Ref:2307112)

A few of mine on my flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielp...7607331654059/

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