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Old 17 Aug 2009, 04:38 (Ref:2522753)   #1
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New guy in an AM, Chris Buncombe. Should be AM vs. Pesca vs. Sebah vs. Ginetta hopefully.

Somebody kill GT1 already. It's a shame seeing great teams like Larbre and Luc Alphand racing parades all year long.

Hopefully the Porsches won't take themselves out so we can have a decent 5-way GT2 battle.

Ain't August great this year?!?
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New guy in an AM, Chris Buncombe. Should be AM vs. Pesca vs. Sebah vs. Ginetta hopefully.

Somebody kill GT1 already. It's a shame seeing great teams like Larbre and Luc Alphand racing parades all year long.

Hopefully the Porsches won't take themselves out so we can have a decent 5-way GT2 battle.

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While Chris Buncombe might be new to the AM, he is not new to the series. He was with Binnie last I recall.



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It's not a twisty enough circuit for the Ginetta-Zytek's to mount a challenge, I don't think. They were at their best at Barcelona.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 21:43 (Ref:2523291)   #5
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And with 3 Aston Martin on the track it will be a tough nut to crack for Pescarolo... and remembering of last year they struggled a little
bit with the set-up of their cars.

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Old 17 Aug 2009, 23:00 (Ref:2523354)   #6
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are the kolles audi's likely to be any quicker here than they have been?
I havent really paid much attention to them but i would've thought they'd perform a little better.
I know without the works team running them they would never be as fast but still!
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Buncombe is a pretty good shoe, deserves a shot with the Astons. Will Felbermeyer and IMSA Performance be allowed to race?

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are the kolles audi's likely to be any quicker here than they have been?
I havent really paid much attention to them but i would've thought they'd perform a little better.
I know without the works team running them they would never be as fast but still!
The team still haven't got used to the car yet, especially the drivers, but Silverstone will probably see the R10's best result. Last year, the Audis could keep up with the Pugs there and the R10 is a bit heavy and lacks agility, needed for some of the Nurburgring's tristy bits.
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are the kolles audi's likely to be any quicker here than they have been?
I havent really paid much attention to them but i would've thought they'd perform a little better.
I know without the works team running them they would never be as fast but still!
As long as they don't take each other out, I could see them both in the top 7.
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So no Kruse yet. I heard they'd return to the series with a Coupe. Anybody heard any more about them and when they'll be back?

And it seems Virgo (or rather the McInerneys) have made Britcar their preference that weekend. Would have hoped to see the car there anyway, albeit with a different crew.
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DSC are running a story that Kruse-Schiller have pulled out of the LMS for the rest of the season . Siting technical discrepencies as the reason .

Thats a shame ..... they have had some terrible luck the last few seasons . Loseing their Pesca LMP2 in a fire and wrecking a tub at Le Mans and almost again this year .

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It's not a twisty enough circuit for the Ginetta-Zytek's to mount a challenge, I don't think. They were at their best at Barcelona.
nurburg is the twistiest circuit on the calender! the Zytek's have always been very good around the nurb, every year in that year's form the car's are super quick, anyone remember 2005? now that was impressive.

IMO, this is Strakka Racing's best chance to bag a win in P1, if they are going to do it, now is the time to do it, i can imagine however, with the torque from the diesel engine, the Kolles R10's being pretty quick, that low end grunt should be worth its weight in gold accelarating out of the slow corner's of the nurb.
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DSC are running a story that Kruse-Schiller have pulled out of the LMS for the rest of the season . Siting technical discrepencies as the reason .

Thats a shame ..... they have had some terrible luck the last few seasons . Loseing their Pesca LMP2 in a fire and wrecking a tub at Le Mans and almost again this year .

Hope they return next year .
It wouldnt surprise me for this the first team to dispose of the Mazda-AER LMp2 engine, they have been having big difficulties with the fuel and all AER LMP2 engined cars appear well off the pace compared to the V8 engined cars.........I think it will only be a matter of time before KSM comes back with a Judd or Zytek V8.......perhaps even the new 4.0 IES Nissan V8.
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nurburg is the twistiest circuit on the calender!
Our definitions of twisty are some what twisted.
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It wouldnt surprise me for this the first team to dispose of the Mazda-AER LMp2 engine, they have been having big difficulties with the fuel and all AER LMP2 engined cars appear well off the pace compared to the V8 engined cars.........I think it will only be a matter of time before KSM comes back with a Judd or Zytek V8.......perhaps even the new 4.0 IES Nissan V8.
Or LMS goes for ALMS fuel - seems to work much better. I dont understand anyway why they dont use the same fuel. Its no problem for the works team but always a waist of money for privatear teams to get new mappings ...
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It wouldnt surprise me for this the first team to dispose of the Mazda-AER LMp2 engine, they have been having big difficulties with the fuel and all AER LMP2 engined cars appear well off the pace compared to the V8 engined cars.........I think it will only be a matter of time before KSM comes back with a Judd or Zytek V8.......perhaps even the new 4.0 IES Nissan V8.
I think you are right on the mark with the fuel being the issue causing this!! Utter dross that is. The ACO needs to pull their head out of someones pocket book(fuel supplier) and rectify the problem!! This is going to be one of the 'premier' engines in the 2011 rule set.



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Or LMS goes for ALMS fuel - seems to work much better. I dont understand anyway why they dont use the same fuel. Its no problem for the works team but always a waist of money for privatear teams to get new mappings ...
ALMS and LMS have the same fuel supplier right?
Dyson have had similar problems over in the states earlier in the season with their MZR lump's, as Horndawg has said, the ACO need to rectify this, the MZR will likely be a very popular engine in the new regs come 2011, it will also almost certainly become a lot more popular next year as well!
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the MZR will likely be a very popular engine in the new regs come 2011, it will also almost certainly become a lot more popular next year as well!
Not if they keep having fuel issues...
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Not if they keep having fuel issues...
exactly, hence why the ACO need to pull their head out their own arse, woops, did i say that out LOUD.

Plus as well, i do rather like the exhaust note of the 4 pot AER lump, that roar and the crackling, poppling and garggling on the over run, sounds like a group B rally car, mmmmmmm....
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I think you are right on the mark with the fuel being the issue causing this!! Utter dross that is. The ACO needs to pull their head out of someones pocket book(fuel supplier) and rectify the problem!! This is going to be one of the 'premier' engines in the 2011 rule set.



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I must admit I really dont know if the fuel is the problem in the LMS, or the engine........but it wouldnt surprise me to hear of an engine supplier blaming external factors to hide their own problems........which ever way you want to approach it, in the LMS this Mazda 4 pot engine is off the pace........a team owner said to me recently that there is not a lot of confidence in this engine.......if the fuel is the problem I suspect AER are mapping too close to the edge of detonation, if thats the case they should take a slightly more conservative approach to engine mapping to allow for fuel variations.
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I must admit I really dont know if the fuel is the problem in the LMS, or the engine........but it wouldnt surprise me to hear of an engine supplier blaming external factors to hide their own problems........which ever way you want to approach it, in the LMS this Mazda 4 pot engine is off the pace........a team owner said to me recently that there is not a lot of confidence in this engine.......if the fuel is the problem I suspect AER are mapping too close to the edge of detonation, if thats the case they should take a slightly more conservative approach to engine mapping to allow for fuel variations.
And then become uncompetitive. So by an inaction by the ACO they have basically eliminated a class of engine, Turbo 4. Horse nuts!! Not to compliant to their own wishes to create and keep diversity! Stupid in my book! But oh well....



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Collard will drive again the number 16 Pescarolo with Boullion and Tinseau, at least for Nurburgring:

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**** me, that is one saucy line up in the Pesca, two of the best Proto driver's out there and one very talented proto driver in Tinseau, in what has arguably been the most well rounded car in LMS in P1 this year at a circuit which i think, should, suit the Pescarolo rather well, especially with the extra downforce of this year's car, i might be British, but i really want Pescarolo to win the title this year, last year they were a bit off form and struggled compared to the quicker diesel and petrol car's, come on Pesca!
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