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Old 12 Mar 2011, 08:29 (Ref:2844371)   #1
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ELMS (was LMS) 2012 discussion

With news filtering through from the 2011 Test Days at Paul Ricard that Patrick Peter intends to run the 2012 Le Mans Series independantly of, and on different dates to, the ILMC, please bring all LMS 2012 relevant discussion here.
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 09:06 (Ref:2844389)   #2
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I'm really not liking it. How many entries will there be in the separate events? Say goodbye to big grids in Europe, ACO.
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 10:03 (Ref:2844415)   #3
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So something like a second Spa race after LM counting only for the LMS... Who would enter that??? Might be a good opportunity to experiment and do things differently though to boost the grid numbers: new GT and LMP classes with a 3 in the name??
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 10:11 (Ref:2844421)   #4
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I dont like the sound of this either Bob .
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 10:20 (Ref:2844428)   #5
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Why would P Peter want to do that?

I cannot see any immediate benefit to the LMS....
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 10:49 (Ref:2844439)   #6
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that doesn't seem to make any sense, did they give a reason for this move?

I can see how it would make it easier for both the LMS and the ILMC to get their own TV packages, but other than that I fail to see the point. The ILMC races probably won't attract the smaller teams (except for Le Mans), and the LMS will probably go back to gentlemen racers only?

just when they seemed to be onto something amazing, they tear it apart?!?
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 12:13 (Ref:2844468)   #7
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Lets hope it is out of necessity because of the amount of entries they are expecting
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 16:10 (Ref:2844566)   #8
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Lets hope it is out of necessity because of the amount of entries they are expecting
That would be my first thought...
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 18:31 (Ref:2844634)   #9
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With a baseline of 30 ILMC entries and 40 in the LMS your going to have difficulties if all turn up at most circuits.

If the LMS reverts to P2, LMPC, GTE-Pro, GTE-Am and GTC they could top 40 cars as the economy improves.

Standalone ILMC events will more than likely attract a number of LMS regulars and see teams doubling up if they've split cars over both series.

As mentioned there's also the issue of TV packages with should be easier to sort without current complications.
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Old 12 Mar 2011, 23:37 (Ref:2844769)   #10
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Perhaps Euro LMS races will switch to an ALMS-like middle distance format, like 2:45 or 4 hours?
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I'm a bit worried about this. They're really stretching out the budgets. They either think:
- more teams want to join (evidence of LMS' non-ILMC events this year show otherwise)
- more races mean more ticket sales and more money (in their own little fantasy world the economy isn't in a funk so teams have money to race 6 extra races and the fans have money to book hotels, buy tickets, flights, gas, etc.)

I hope they explain the rationale soon before making a final decision.
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Old 13 Mar 2011, 15:57 (Ref:2845047)   #12
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Good job they've got the SPEED series running with them, may need to call those cars into the main event in the same way they did Formula Le Mans.

Actually, might not be a bad thing
exclude P1 unless you get a guarentee of 5 of them
Maybe chuck in some GT3s if needed

This way Europe could have 8-9 Le Mans type races

But for gods sake, racing at the same circuits is just daft; plenty of circuits with history - Vallelunga 6hr perhaps?

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Good job they've got the SPEED series running with them, may need to call those cars into the main event in the same way they did Formula Le Mans.
At least that wouldn't be a spec-class. I'd take CN any day over FLM!
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Old 13 Mar 2011, 16:01 (Ref:2845053)   #14
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Its shows even more signs of stupidity between PP and the ACO, will they ever sit down and work together? They have quite possibly one of the best seasons starting this year in many years and next year they could quite possibly lower the quality of not one but two series. and with this not only will the series suffer but so will the teams, the sponsers, and the fans.

No doubt over the next few weeks we'll here stories from PP and his side blaming the ACO for his decision.

I thought that the ACO LMS And ALMS were finally starting to work together but I guess I was wrong
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I'm a bit worried about this. They're really stretching out the budgets. They either think:
- more teams want to join (evidence of LMS' non-ILMC events this year show otherwise)
- more races mean more ticket sales and more money (in their own little fantasy world the economy isn't in a funk so teams have money to race 6 extra races and the fans have money to book hotels, buy tickets, flights, gas, etc.)

I hope they explain the rationale soon before making a final decision.
Beyond this year I'm not sure how much crossover there's going to be. In 2012 Rebellion and Pescarolo will likely both compete full-time in the ILMC and Strakka have said they're targeting the same in P1.

Hints about a split have been made before with Peter wanting to ban factory teams and Pescarolo saying 2011 could be the final year for the LMS. If Peter wants the series to continue they'll need a new class structure which if successful wouldn't allow joint ILMC/LMS grids even if both sides wanted it.
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