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Old 16 Jun 2011, 18:21 (Ref:2900450)   #16
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Toyota testing Dome built open LMP1 - Autosport print ed.

Above is the quote taken from Mariantic , but I dont have access to Autosport , which I assume you have .
Autosport say that Toyota have been testing an all new LMP1 hybrid designed to current rules. The car has been commissioned from Dome and follows tests with an adapted open top Dome S101 in late 2008. It does not say the new car is open.

It also says that some sources say the engine is not related to the current unit in the Rebellion car and it may be an all new 2 litre turbocharged unit.

It suggests they had been gearing up for an entry in 2012 but this may have been delayed following the earthquake.

The articles also quotes the ACO in saying that they are in touch with 4 new manufacturers interested in LMP1 including some big ones and some small ones.
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Old 16 Jun 2011, 18:22 (Ref:2900453)   #17
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Toyota testing Dome built open LMP1 - Autosport print ed.

Above is the quote taken from Mariantic , but I dont have access to Autosport , which I assume you have .
Mariantic's mistaken, it says they tested the S101 with a V8TT, and talks about that being an open car.
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Old 16 Jun 2011, 18:41 (Ref:2900467)   #18
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So they tested an older type engine configuration with the open car, then this possible new engine configuration with the hybrid in a coupe?
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Old 16 Jun 2011, 19:16 (Ref:2900499)   #19
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This is good news, lets all hope something comes through. I hope Dome and Toyota start back where they left off from the S102, a new 2.0T + hybrid drivetrain and styling by Dome... Good Stuff...
The S102 should have never been retired, it showed too much promise to not continue to the next step. Now if someone can also throw some $$$ towards Epsilon or Embassy and the factorys will have someone to be afraid of...
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Old 16 Jun 2011, 20:59 (Ref:2900560)   #20
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Needless to say I was very happy when I got home from work and opened the mag up to see this. Maybe people will be less willing to buy into the 'TMG' smokescreen now, albeit we are seeing two different strands of development.

It will be interesting as to where this leaves Rebellion down the line.
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Old 16 Jun 2011, 23:42 (Ref:2900645)   #21
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By the way do you think that Toyota will appear next year??? For me they just appear in 2013/14
If the regulation revamp is coming in 2014, that would be quite bad timing. Even if 2014 was a transitional year but surely much lower weight* limit and engine regs based on energy limits* would need some new thinking.

* according to the leaked minutes on mulsannescorner.com
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Old 17 Jun 2011, 00:54 (Ref:2900662)   #22
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If it's true that it was planned for 2012 but delayed by the earthquake maybe a first appearance post LM 2012 with a serious effort for 2013 would be realistic.
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Old 17 Jun 2011, 07:04 (Ref:2900742)   #23
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It will be interesting as to where this leaves Rebellion down the line.
Lola said that they are going to be the sole supplier of Chassis for the Toyota engine and that 2 more cars would be made. So it leaves Rebellion racing for as long as they have the money too, plus one (or two) other teams.

To me it reads like Toyota are providing customer engines for the Lola chassis and are developing their own car.s
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Old 17 Jun 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2900988)   #24
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Some more info, well probably not more: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92396
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Old 17 Jun 2011, 18:08 (Ref:2901063)   #25
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Come on Toyota! These rumours have been about for years!

Its good news anyway, as well as the potential of there being more manufacturers.

We currently have Audi, Peugeot and Aston Martin.

Honda will be back, wherever Toyota go, they follow (and vice versa). Nissan are rumoured to be getting involved as well.

As much as I like the mix of open and closed cars, le mans this year really did demonstrate the safety of coupes. Apart from safety reasons, mandating closed cars would also help differentiate sportscars from other forms of racing.
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Some more info, well probably not more: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92396
Has there been any Toyota driver rumor and would be nice to see the car.
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Since the end of the Group C era, my favourite LMP car that ever raced at Le Mans had to be the S102, something about the bodywork and especially the front end of the car was just incredible and had suprising pace relative to the diesels. If Dome could create a car like the S102 without (correct me if i am wrong please) any factory support then I have all the confidence in them that they could develop a successful LMP car with Toyota support.

Im not holding my breath because we have heard these rumours quite a bit, but if it does happen I think this could be huge.
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Honda will be back, wherever Toyota go, they follow (and vice versa). Nissan are rumoured to be getting involved as well.
I don't know about Honda coming to LMP1 as a factory team. They could do it very easily, but I just don't get the sense that the people in Japan are super thrilled about it. Honda did not really follow Nissan and Toyota with their previous Le Mans efforts (aside from the GTs from the mid-90s I guess) and they clearly have not followed Toyota into NASCAR and such. But, hey, they have few start up barriers if they did want in.

What I am wondering is when/if we will see Toyota providing engines (or more) for LMP2. Honda/HPD and Nissan/Nismo are already in there and having success. They may even make money off their LMP2 projects. It looks probable that Mazda will jump in next year as well. Of course, perhaps Toyota is questioning whether LMP2 will become a customer arms race of sorts with Judd/BMW and Ford/Roush & Mountune already in and Ferrari on the cusp of entering it seems.
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Old 18 Jun 2011, 07:14 (Ref:2901257)   #29
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I think Honda were on the edge of going for a factory team but then we had the recession in 2008 and the quake earlier this year put the programme back in a big way.

I'm not sure how easily they could put together an works team, after what happened with Highcroft (which was mostly out of HPD's hands) a lot of teams would be wary of tying up with Honda.

re. the following the other I was referring to Honda and Toyota. There were rumours of Honda doing Nascar Trucks a few years ago but they never came to fruition as they wanted to do sportscars.

After the performance of the ARX-01e at Sebring this year I'm 100% sure we'll see the return of Honda to LMP1.
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I'm just happy Toyota is serious about LeMans again. I'd say they have unfinished business. The last time they were there, no one had an answer for their pace. If it weren't for accidents and tire issues, the TS020 easily would have won. Toyota realizes this. And the case for a Hybrid type powertrain would definitely be a good thing for PR and sales, especially in Europe.
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