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Old 26 Jun 2011, 10:55 (Ref:2906218)   #31
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That farnbacher ferrari has been heckling that BMW all day long lol
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 11:14 (Ref:2906230)   #32
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.......i not arguing about your statement.....im saying what does that have to do with thefact tha tAudi and Peugeot bring the crowds. im saying that you don't see the same stuff with pescarolo and rebellion that you see with the Audi and Peugeot.
What I'm and another individual have been talking about is the reasons why you don't get the risky/stupid moves from privateers like you do from the works teams. It's got nothing to do with the other parts of your statement but that bit about the spectacle the Peugeots and Audis give the fans (the risky/stupid moves).
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 12:12 (Ref:2906246)   #33
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What I'm and another individual have been talking about is the reasons why you don't get the risky/stupid moves from privateers like you do from the works teams. It's got nothing to do with the other parts of your statement but that bit about the spectacle the Peugeots and Audis give the fans (the risky/stupid moves).



And their not "stupid moves". Its called calculated risk. And calculated risk exist in EVERY sport. So in effect your calling every athlete stupid(im sure your not though). When a tennis player goes for a shot down the line its calculated risk. If your in position to make the play it is a high percentage move regardless of the sport. When russel westbrook goes for the three pointer thats a risk(high percentage if no one is defending him).

you should differentiate between stupid and high percentage risk. Rockenfeller was High Percentage play(all the LMP cars had passed gt cars all day long at that kink before so why not do it again.) Kaufman was "stupid move".


Didnt a rebellion driver wreck in the porsche curves on his own....didn;t Emmanuel Collard crash the pescarolo on his own at tertre rouge. those are "stupid".

Alex Wurz had a "stupid" moment as well in the peugeot. Why are you attributing the "stupid/risky" moves to Audi and Peugeot.....And make it seem like everything is all dandy at pescarolo and rebellion.

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Old 26 Jun 2011, 12:31 (Ref:2906253)   #34
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Sorry buddy but I'm not even going to answer any of that, I'm starting to get confused from what you're trying to say...
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 12:35 (Ref:2906254)   #35
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Sorry buddy but I'm not even going to answer any of that, I'm starting to get confused from what you're trying to say...
You said that that Factory drivers make stupid/risky moves that the privateer drivers do not.

My response: In this years 24 hours of Lemans Jean Christophe Boullion crashed the Rebellion lola(privateer) in the porsche curves all by himself..

In this years 24 hours of Lemans Emmanuel Collard crashed the Pescarolo(privateer) all by himself.

those are stupid. So ive contradicted your argument.
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 12:49 (Ref:2906258)   #36
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You said that that Factory drivers make stupid/risky moves that the privateer drivers do not.
Because they get orders to make those moves with no regard to the fact if they dont come off they wont be worrying about finding the money to fix any damage. (Which is what I've been trying to say for a while now...)

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My response: In this years 24 hours of Lemans Jean Christophe Boullion crashed the Rebellion lola(privateer) in the porsche curves all by himself..
Did he crash from making a simple driver mistake or did he crash from making a risky move around a GTE car or was it just track conditions?

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In this years 24 hours of Lemans Emmanuel Collard crashed the Pescarolo(privateer) all by himself.
Did he crash from making a simple driver mistake or did he crash from making a risky move around a GTE car or was it just track conditions?
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 12:55 (Ref:2906259)   #37
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Because they get orders to make those moves with no regard to the fact if they dont come off they wont be worrying about finding the money to fix any damage. (Which is what I've been trying to say for a while now...)
You think that someone told allan Mcnish to make that move?

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Did he crash from making a simple driver mistake or did he crash from making a risky move around a GTE car or was it just track conditions?
As stated before. All by himself

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Did he crash from making a simple driver mistake or did he crash from making a risky move around a GTE car or was it just track conditions?
As stated before. All by himself

Track conditions are the same for everyone...
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 13:02 (Ref:2906264)   #38
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You think that someone told allan Mcnish to make that move?
He would have been told go at the limit, what do you think that means to a driver?

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As stated before. All by himself
Thats not a good enough answer sorry, find out how he crashed and come back with that.

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As stated before. All by himself
Thats not a good enough answer sorry, find out how he crashed and come back with that.

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Track conditions are the same for everyone...
Well obviously, but was there oil on the track in the line either driver used? What about gravel on track that they just happened to pick up and caused a puncture? Think outside the box instead of using a generalisation.
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 13:16 (Ref:2906269)   #39
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He would have been told go at the limit, what do you think that means to a driver?


Thats not a good enough answer sorry, find out how he crashed and come back with that.


Thats not a good enough answer sorry, find out how he crashed and come back with that.


Well obviously, but was there oil on the track in the line either driver used? What about gravel on track that they just happened to pick up and caused a puncture? Think outside the box instead of using a generalisation.


what do you mean that not good enough. i saw the incidents. did you? Its exactly as i stated. Emmanuel Collard breaked too late(locking up) into tertre rouge and went stright into the barriers.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeLMB8cBoI


Jean Christopje Bouillion 14 hours into the race said on the radio that he made a mistake and thats why he crashed. them http://youtu.be/kOM905SHTx0?t=57s
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 13:20 (Ref:2906271)   #40
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it doesnt look like the tetre rouge, it seems more like the first turn of porsche section where collard crashed
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 13:22 (Ref:2906272)   #41
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I was up for the full 24 and yes I saw both incidents, braking too late into the Porsche Curves is a mistake and Collard and Pesca paid for it. I'd put that one down to fatigue more than driver orders (it was near the end of the race and all they had to do was cruise).

The JCB accident was made in traffic, theres a chance he made a mistake following or passing another car.
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Old 26 Jun 2011, 13:26 (Ref:2906274)   #42
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I was up for the full 24 and yes I saw both incidents, braking too late into the Porsche Curves is a mistake and Collard and Pesca paid for it. I'd put that one down to fatigue more than driver orders (it was near the end of the race and all they had to do was cruise).

The JCB accident was made in traffic, theres a chance he made a mistake following or passing another car.
Im going to take a page out of your book.
Prove it.
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I was up for the full 24 and yes I saw both incidents, braking too late into the Porsche Curves is a mistake and Collard and Pesca paid for it. I'd put that one down to fatigue more than driver orders (it was near the end of the race and all they had to do was cruise).

The JCB accident was made in traffic, theres a chance he made a mistake following or passing another car.
If you saw both incidents. WHY DID YOU ASK ME TO PROVE IT? like i was lying?


An you know the funny thing is the that They never showed the Pescarolo accident on T.V. dont argue that we saw different channels because regardless of the channel theres is only one French feed for video which the different channels commentate on. the Emmanuel Collard accident was never televised. The video on youtube is from someon who was in the stands a the Prsch curves. Soooo you lied Mitch......
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Thats classic, you accuse me of saying you're lieing then tell me I'm a liar? It was shown on the feed I was watching

I asked if you could come up with a better answer because I was hoping you'd be able to give me something better than they did it themselves. Theres more factors involved in those crashes which you've glossed over...

(BTW, you speak english, can you please use better spelling and grammar for the sake of making things easier to make sense of?)
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If you saw both incidents. WHY DID YOU ASK ME TO PROVE IT? like i was lying?


An you know the funny thing is the that They never showed the Pescarolo accident on T.V. dont argue that we saw different channels because regardless of the channel theres is only one French feed for video which the different channels commentate on. the Emmanuel Collard accident was never televised. The video on youtube is from someon who was in the stands a the Prsch curves. Soooo you lied Mitch......
I see no one mentioned that it was raining at the Porsche Curves when Collard had his accident, maybe this was an added factor?
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