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Old 26 Jul 2020, 11:52 (Ref:3990834)   #406
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The ELMS presents some interesting questions about LMP2.

I always thought that racing and, especially, endurance, is all about machinery and men (constructors, engineers and not only drivers). There're tons of different one-make series for Porsches, Ferraris, Lamborghinis and so on. That's true, that their bosses get money from participants, not viewers. But who is going to watch these cups only?
Le Mans or Daytona were always about constructors competition. It's not so difficult to name the best cars of the past but who can remember the entire team of drivers who had won in Sebring in 1975 without any Net or book searching?
The greatest fun is to chat a way before the race about technical differences, myriads of details, strong points and weaknesses of chassis and engines on different sectors of the track. That is the racing.
Even in horse racing one of the most intriguing parts is "news" from the paddock: which horse is in good condition.
A solid portion of old magazines in winter were dedicated to the fascinating side of engineering: new cars, new hopes, new ideas. It was real life. And today? They just print histories of the past just to put holes in the news lines. They have nothing to write about. And we have nothing to cheer.

Of course, bosses of ELMS (and Le Mans, I bet) are quite happy about financial sustainability of their business, as there always will be people who want to race. But I do not care about their gains while there's no actual racing in it's classic form. It's understandable that they do not care if one or two crazy fans say this, they wouldn't care even if most of the fans will ask them to revive racing.

I think the future of racing is on the club level, where participants are not so scared as marketing managers to put new cars into a completely competitive and absolutely unrefined, advertising unsterilised and beautifully unpredictable environment. I wouldn't be surprised if new amazing inventions in car architecture will be made not in super-dooper "innovative" Le Mans but on a club level by some real mechanical enthusiasts. And I'm absolutely free of any nostalgic or pessimistic thoughts about "loosing racing icons" a la F1 or LM. I've read a book by Andrew Twort, about his 750 Formula adventure, and I value this sort of garagists much higher than the whole BoPped marketing circus of Le Mans. These kind of enthusiasts make the sport.
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Old 26 Jul 2020, 19:54 (Ref:3990916)   #407
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I completely agree with all of that. Makes me think of Pikes Peak as an example of that lost freedom to innovate, or just build something in your garage and have a go.
http://ppihc.org/divisions-classes-competitors/

Club and national level hill climbing is often similar.

https://youtu.be/EbmkNiCN_YA

Sorry for the off topic wandering.
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Old 26 Jul 2020, 23:03 (Ref:3990935)   #408
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It is true than even in it's heyday with big P1s and GT1s no-one outside of 50 people really cared of ELMS. And all of those 50 people were probably here, listening to Radio Le Mans and hoping Eurosport or Motors TV would show more than 30 minutes of 1000km race. There was a lots to talk about in terms of cars and technology and so on, but there weren't many of us then either. The series was always just 'something to do' around Le Mans. So looking it that way, the championship essentially having been transformed into something resembling glorified Porsche Cup doesn't really change anything in terms of how it was seen from outside, and how it is run. And it hasn't, it's chumming along year after year regardless of what they've turned it into. However, the problem is that the same competitors from ELMS and other series, running pro-am spec Orecas and GTE-AM Ferraris and Porsches are also making most of the grid at Le Mans now too. Cars that used to be more akin to the support race bill competitors are now the stars. Now, the current 'big public' watching the 24 hours may still be moderately entertained as long as they get those Indycar and ex F1 and NASCAR drivers in some of the cars, and there's something resembling OEM presence even if it's made via sticker engineering and balance of performance. But as is the case with the rest of racing world, the people who follow these things are ageing. F1 will survive as it is F1, also helped by the fact that Bernie Ecclestone is no longer in charge saying "young people don't buy Rolex watches so we don't care about em", but the rest of racing will sunk even lower to the abyss if they don't do something. And that something cannot be Oreca 07 Alpine-Aurus-Ladas with spec engines and spec tires and pro-am crews making 95% of the grid at Le Mans. NASCAR business model also belongs to the 1960's.

RE: hillclimbing. I was about to say that it's a shame Pikes Peak is "just" racing against a clock instead of other competitors, but then I remembered my favorite sports having been winter sliding for number of years now, and that too is going against the clock, only down the hill instead of upwards. You have the best gal and sled being the winner without artificial BS, it's just great fun. So I could get into it. The only actual problem with it is bad TV/streaming coverage, which I think while not as bad as 5 years ago, is still quite bad. Their youtube looks very messy too.

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Old 4 Aug 2020, 20:10 (Ref:3993005)   #409
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According to Endurance-Info, Niko Kari has been upgraded from silver to gold after the Paul Ricard race, and thus can no longer drive the LMP3 Car.

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/le...s-du-mardi-11/
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According to Endurance-Info, Niko Kari has been upgraded from silver to gold after the Paul Ricard race, and thus can no longer drive the LMP3 Car.

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/le...s-du-mardi-11/
Apparently that news was not true, since Kari is at Spa.
However, #11 didn't turn a lap in practice 1, so maybe they are in trouble after all.


And Kari seems to be gold after all
https://www.europeanlemansseries.com...9747?year=2020


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The round at Barcelona has been replaced by another one at Paul Ricard.
https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/el...our-un-acte-2/
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...barcelona.html

I get why Barcelona has been cancelled, but find going back to Paul Ricard a bit uninspiring.
Surely there must have been other good tracks to race on?

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Old 7 Aug 2020, 14:42 (Ref:3993568)   #411
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I have heard of Kari, he seems to have been a bit stuck in the junior formulas in recent years
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I get why Barcelona has been cancelled, but find going back to Paul Ricard a bit uninspiring.
Surely there must have been other good tracks to race on?
Makes sense from a logistical point of view. Easy for ELMS/Le Mans Cup teams to get to LM 3 weeks later without international travel etc.
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Old 8 Aug 2020, 15:30 (Ref:3993808)   #413
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I hope they solve their issues with YouTube.
The LeMans Cup stream has been cut a number of times.

"Stream Unavailable. Stream suspended for policy violations."

That happened at least 6 times now.
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Old 8 Aug 2020, 15:31 (Ref:3993810)   #414
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I'm pretty sure it's because it's auto-checking against F1 streams. It sees a generic view of Spa and thinks it's a copyright violation against F1.
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I'm pretty sure it's because it's auto-checking against F1 streams. It sees a generic view of Spa and thinks it's a copyright violation against F1.
I think they need to look for another streaming platform then.

This is unwatchable.
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No posts about it, but that ELMS race was most excellent. Really enjoyed that one.

Hindy and RLM back in the booth feels right. It was nice.
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No posts about it, but that ELMS race was most excellent. Really enjoyed that one.

Hindy and RLM back in the booth feels right. It was nice.
It sure was.
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Brilliant ELMS race. I hugely enjoyed it. Great commentary by Hindy and JP. After the streaming hiccups yesterday for the MLMC race, the stream was perfect for me throughout. Watched the whole 4 hours. Great finish too. It helped that my son was working for Nielsen on their #7 P3 car which finished a terrific 2nd in class. He was cleaning the screen and changing front tyres and the TV actually caught one of their stops (which made his mother's day.... ).

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Brilliant ELMS race. I hugely enjoyed it. Great commentary by Hindy and JP. After the streaming hiccups yesterday for the MLMC race, the stream was perfect for me throughout. Watched the whole 4 hours. Great finish too. It helped that my son was working for Nielsen on their #7 P3 car which finished a terrific 2nd in class. He was cleaning the screen and changing front tyres and the TV actually caught one of their stops (which made his mother's day.... ).
That's nice fo him (and her and you)

The ELMS races of the last few years have been pretty good.

Very glad the stream was working well.
To be fair, I had never had issues with it bar yesterday's MLMC race, and that was horrible at times (the stream, not the race)
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Yeah, no previous problems for me either. After the 5th or 6th 'policy violation' I switched to the FB feed which was fine.
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