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Old 19 Oct 2006, 23:12 (Ref:1742544)   #31
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Let me further underline my point. I just don't see how you can look at engine rule changes based on the competition between a sportscar giant like Audi and a handful of privateers, some with new cars. Now, if it had been Porsche and Penske entering a P1 car this year instead of a P2 car, and they had been soundly beat like a drum, then I can see how the rules might need to be adjusted.
Penske Porsche, top quality team, drivers, tyres, factory backing = most serious (season long) challengers to Audi for years........even with a P2!
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Old 19 Oct 2006, 23:12 (Ref:1742545)   #32
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JAG, I was also thinking about last year when the Zytek smoked the R8s at Laguna Seca, which was tailor made for the 04S. This year the Zytek 06S will be up against the R10s minus 65kgs. Seeing how Laguna suits the Zytek package, I would be interested to see how the Zytek would fair at Laguna at 925kgs. But we wont get to know that answer.
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Old 19 Oct 2006, 23:17 (Ref:1742548)   #33
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It's frustrating that the 65kg weight break for Dyson concincided with the car finding genuine pace (due to development).

So we don't know how mych pace Dyson gained from the performance breaks, is it 2 seconds, or 2 tenths?

The only comparison is Corevette vs Aston, the Corvette has been competitive for most events, despite widely varying weights/restrcitors, so I'd suggest Dysons new found pace is 70/30 in favour of development/performance breaks.
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 00:24 (Ref:1742581)   #34
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Good grief, compared to this farce, the formerly evil, and ridiculed, NASCAR restrictor racing regs. are open competition.

ACO rules and racing, is becoming more like grade school recess, where all games must be FAAAAIRRR, or they are eliminated.

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Old 20 Oct 2006, 00:36 (Ref:1742590)   #35
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It's pretty simple, a set of regulations that you build your car to, not unlike F1 and the WRC.

The only question is whether a particualr engine technology has an unfair advantage or not.
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 02:44 (Ref:1742649)   #36
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It's pretty simple, a set of regulations that you build your car to, not unlike F1 and the WRC.

The only question is whether a particualr engine technology has an unfair advantage or not.
Witht the exception if you do not fit into the box the want you to fiit in, they change the rules until you do.
The fact formula one has dropped to that level, makes it OK?

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Old 20 Oct 2006, 06:38 (Ref:1742745)   #37
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Come on...who really expected the ACO to do anything more than what they did??? I sure didn't. They want different power sources. And I am sure that if Honda really wanted to win, they could with a petrol engine...And what is stopping people like Judd and AER and Zytek from developing diseal power or hybrid power - the encouragement of such actions is a new fundamental way of thinking from the ACO, to expect anything different is daft - to limit the performance of diseal would go against their business model and chase away the two elements that are bringing more publicity to Le Mans than almost anything else - ie Audi and Peugeot.

And the performance reduction in LMP2 was needed as who would enter LMP1 which is more expensive when heartless car companies with no regard for the 'spirit' of LMP2 come and hijack it...its simple, if you want to win outright, you should be in LMP1 and you should come up with something clever...

Simple - I like it.
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 07:36 (Ref:1742769)   #38
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I am with the camp that says we need to see a real manuafacurer developed petrol competitor to judge. My guess is that if Audi had put the same money into developing a new regs petrol car it would be faster than the R10 - I dont think the R10 is any faster than an unrestricted R8 would be
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 09:45 (Ref:1742863)   #39
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I suspect Henri will in fact have a great deal to say.
At the risk of provoking the wrath of Malcolm Cracknell, I am copying and pasting this article from Daily Sportscar without his permission. I'm incensed!

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In today’s (October 20) Ouest-France, Henri Pescarolo has provided this reaction to Thursday’s announcement of the 2007 ACO regulations. He’s bitterly unhappy that the diesel-powered cars have only been penalised with a 10% smaller fuel tank.

"The president of the ACO, in front of witnesses, made me the promise, after the last 24 Hours, that this equivalence would be re-examined. What has happened is scandalous. They take me for an imbecile. And I will publish in the next few days an open letter with technical evidence as support. For three or four years they have used me to provide a rival to Audi and now that a second manufacturer arrives with a diesel engine, they regard me as a spoilsport. Inadmissible!"

While other entrants ‘sit on the fence’, for fear of losing an entry for 2007, Henri Pescarolo has come out and said exactly what he thinks – just as he did in June, over the pit exit problem.
I have a great deal more that I want to say on this subject myself, but am unable to do so at the moment.
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 09:59 (Ref:1742869)   #40
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No that's fine James. No original copy (in the middle - the important part) - just a translation of the Ouest-France piece.
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 10:03 (Ref:1742871)   #41
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That makes it sound like Henri thinks he is still owed something.
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 10:13 (Ref:1742987)   #42
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Yes, a reasonable chance to compete...
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 10:57 (Ref:1743024)   #44
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Hello again all,

It does not surprise me that Henri is a little upset - he has a case for being so.

However, it occured to me that if so many teams (petrol) anyway are frustrated with the ACO, why not hop the pond next season and compete in the ALMS where, to be honest, the regulations seem to be going the other way and the racing is far healthier than it is the LMES. Just imagine 20 prototypes going through corkscrew - a hell of a sight. The only thing they will miss, and it is a BIG only, could be Le Mans. But honestly, with Peugeot and Audi there with these rule changes, there is little point turning up - who wants a P5 at very best? Perhaps a petrol powered boycott in 2006 would open the ACO's eyes a little.............

Vive la revolution!
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Old 20 Oct 2006, 11:01 (Ref:1743029)   #45
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I'm utterly, utterly gobsmacked by such blatant bias towards Audi and Peugeot. Monsieur Poissenot and his henchmen should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
And how much are Audi and Peugeot sponsoring the ACO races for??

Welcome to the world of big dollar sponsorship which gets privialges. Is it fair? Not a chance, but that is reality and racing.
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