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Old 10 Sep 2020, 20:00 (Ref:4001541)   #286
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Of course it probably helps the Aston Martin marketing by having an ex champ driving for them. So that must have been a factor. But if he continues lacklustre performances at AM, the publicity won’t be so good
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The publicity will be about how bad Seb is, not the team. This is the perfect opportunity too, as nobody expects the team to do well in year 1, or even year 2. It's all about building and transitions.

If Vettel fails, it won't be AMR that's held accountable. Just like how Ferrari aren't being held accountable for his performances. (Although they have enough problems, regardless of the driver)
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Normally when ex-champions go to lower teams, it's considered they don't have much to prove. This is interesting because Sebastian has loads to prove. Remember when David Coulthard used to criticise the naysayers about Vettel's ability to overtake any time he made a move stick? He says how clumsy he is now. Also worrying is that for a four-time champion, many massively doubt that he is not much more than a good Formula 1 driver. He has a good opportunity here, but unfortunately for him, he may need to thrash Stroll to get credit, as rightly or wrongly, Lance isn't considered much of a yardstick by some.
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Normally when ex-champions go to lower teams, it's considered they don't have much to prove. This is interesting because Sebastian has loads to prove. Remember when David Coulthard used to criticise the naysayers about Vettel's ability to overtake any time he made a move stick? He says how clumsy he is now. Also worrying is that for a four-time champion, many massively doubt that he is not much more than a good Formula 1 driver. He has a good opportunity here, but unfortunately for him, he may need to thrash Stroll to get credit, as rightly or wrongly, Lance isn't considered much of a yardstick by some.
That's pretty much it all in one there BR!

As is also clear is that this was Vettels only real option ti stay in F1. So he must still back himself fairly highly to do a good job even if he's looked at best inconsistent and at worse a liability in the last couple of years.
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Don't forget Red Bull 2nd car syndrome, which people might think is a new phenomena with Gasly and now Albon, but has been their mantra since day 1

Vettel was the favoured son and Webber just there to make up the numbers as far as Red Bull were concerned, hence "not bad for a number 2 driver" and "Multi 21" outbursts which were caused by him overcoming either the team's favouring policy or Seb's downright ruthless selfishness, backed up by the team
While I actually don't think Webber was quite on the level of Seb, the fact he managed to haul himself into the title fight in 2010 is pretty impressive, especially after the Silverstone and Turkey incidents.
Indeed, fighting for a title, having your team mate hit you in an accident that is his fault, then have the team blame YOU for it must've been quite demoralising for Mark
Perhaps telling that it was after 2010 that his results started to slide, as he knew maybe on some subconcious level that even if he gave it 100%, it woudn't be enough to counter the dearth in talent+team favouring Seb.

And whenever Vettel doesn't feel the team 100% behind him, he ends up making huge mistakes and throwing hissy fits on the radio to the point I think hiring him is a bit of a posioned chalice right now
Which Seb are you going to get? The one that is calm and measured when things go his way, and if he can get out front and lead, won't be caught.
Or the one where if one minor thing goes against him, he can't handle it and snowballs it into an angry attitude, mistake under pressure or clumsy incident trying to race wheel to wheel (never his strenght)
You could use a lot of this post and make it about mercedes and hamilton. Remember when things went poorly for him when Rosberg won the title and he pouted and disregarded team radio, compromising both cars race? He doesn't make the mistakes vettel makes, though.
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