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Old 13 Sep 2020, 09:12 (Ref:4002093)   #451
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Yes, WTCR is the biggest motorsport disappointment in recent years. Results seem like a lottery, circuits are terrible and the whole BOP bull.hit takes any interest out of it. Even if I try I can't follow it, sometimes it's impossible to understand the championship.
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Old 13 Sep 2020, 09:42 (Ref:4002096)   #452
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SRO had many problems with GT3 BOP to begin with but now they seem to have found a great balance, maybe WTCR/TCR need to get in touch and get some advice?
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Old 13 Sep 2020, 09:55 (Ref:4002097)   #453
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SRO had many problems with GT3 BOP to begin with but now they seem to have found a great balance, maybe WTCR/TCR need to get in touch and get some advice?
The first thing they need to do is make it do to enter WTCR there are a minimum number of cars running in national championships to establish BOP. But they are desperate for cars.

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Old 13 Sep 2020, 10:18 (Ref:4002103)   #454
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The first thing they need to do is make it do to enter WTCR there are a minimum number of cars running in national championships to establish BOP. But they are desperate for cars.

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wouldnt work. wtcr uses different ecu, different tyres and level of teams and drivers is higher
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Old 13 Sep 2020, 21:07 (Ref:4002297)   #455
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I agree that TCR manufacturers shouldn't ask for benefits. It's a BoPed championship, get over it.
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Old 13 Sep 2020, 21:13 (Ref:4002301)   #456
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Santiago Urrutia performed very well. Zolder is not the best racetrack to overtake, and he qualified well and kept up in rhythm.
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 05:05 (Ref:4002359)   #457
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wouldnt work. wtcr uses different ecu, different tyres and level of teams and drivers is higher
The different ECU and tyres are REALLY stupid ideas. The whole idea of TCR is to make it cost effective and standard.

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...cu-exemptions/

Hyundai justifiably ****ed off about exemptions handed out over the ECU, and being on the wrong end of the BoP stick.
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 08:24 (Ref:4002386)   #458
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The different ECU and tyres are REALLY stupid ideas. The whole idea of TCR is to make it cost effective and standard.

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...cu-exemptions/

Hyundai justifiably ****ed off about exemptions handed out over the ECU, and being on the wrong end of the BoP stick.
tcr organization are introducing that new ecu across the board. they just startetd with wtcr. some different countries have always used different tyres or different spec of the same tyre
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Old 20 Sep 2020, 22:21 (Ref:4005210)   #459
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They had trouble integrating the C-ECU to a Golf last year. Compatibility with existing systems in the cars seems to be the main sticking point, when VW/Audi/Cupra use Bosch, and Honda uses Motec, for instance.

Looking back 5 years ago, it could have been addressed then...
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Old 24 Sep 2020, 07:03 (Ref:4005985)   #460
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Hyundai have withdrawn from the Nurburgring round over the BOP issues....
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Hyundai have withdrawn from the Nurburgring round over the BOP issues....
It's unfortunate but I am glad they have. The organisers keep rewarding people not playing by the rules, which Hyundai always have. First by allowing the Lynk and Co to keep competing when it took years to finally be "sold" and now offering a free kick to those who are not complying with the rules, while they spend significant money to comply.

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Old 24 Sep 2020, 08:31 (Ref:4006003)   #462
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Has the demolition of WTCR just begun or is it a wake-up call for organisers to finally change something?
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Old 24 Sep 2020, 08:45 (Ref:4006008)   #463
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Has the demolition of WTCR just begun or is it a wake-up call for organisers to finally change something?
I feel like they have an awful sense of timing, increasing compliance costs and allowing unfair competition with a backdrop of multiple manufacturers exiting, all the while cannibalising their own series with ETCR.

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Yes, WTCR is the biggest motorsport disappointment in recent years. Results seem like a lottery, circuits are terrible and the whole BOP bull.hit takes any interest out of it. Even if I try I can't follow it, sometimes it's impossible to understand the championship.
Eurosport / KSO eventually ran the WTCC into the ground, however they handled another BOP issue terribly back in the mid 2000s with the whole Seat TDi debacle. They kept adding more and more weight onto an already slow car in the corners, when the problem was never addressed, that of its huge torque out of corners. I think the one time they did actually try and address that it was at Pau in maybe 2009 or 2010 (I forget) and Seat did something similar to Hyundai, they kicked up a stink as I believe they introduced some kind of tolerance limit for the turbo pressure (again this is all from memory). In any case the organisers relented (I think!) and they were allowed to compete as they had been.
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Old 25 Sep 2020, 14:05 (Ref:4006223)   #465
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Childish from Hyundai.
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Big drama at the Nordschleife.


Santiago Urrutia misses weighting, and his teammate Yvan Muller jumps from 11th to 1st for race 1.


Björk lets Ehrlacher go at the last chicane.


Tassi says Urrutia crhased him, Urrutia says he got a puncture and the car drifted.
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Childish from Hyundai.
No way. They got no action over Lynk and Co, and now I think their complaints are warranted.

For people who didn't use the mandated ECU, there should have been some sort of penalty associated with the dispensation to run, not a free kick.

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I dont think ive ever seen a good WTCC/WTCR race at Nordschleife.

Infact, when was the last "good" WTCR race?
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Who cares how good the racing is? Any kind of racing on the Nordschleife is a great spectacle
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Who cares how good the racing is?
What sort of attitude is that? Would you be happy to see a repeat of the 1926 French Grand Prix?

For as great of a ribbon of tarmac the Nordschleife is, it isn't a good racing circuit. The 8-car grid at Okayama in TCR Japan produced better racing this morning.
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I think sometimes people get too fixated on the racing. I’m not saying we should tolerate low grids and the like, but sometimes spectacle can be just as important
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But the whole point of motor racing is... racing, funnily enough.
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There is something very wrong with the managing of this championship. The fall has been vertically! And if you see TCR Europe you understand there's something isn't working.

Apart for the races, clearly not spectacular because of the majority of the circuits not propers for touring cars, I think someone has lacked to manage this series with both official teams and semi official and independent teams. To lose also Hyundai in such a period... very bad
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The choice of tracks has been bizarre for years, add in the over-zealous stewarding and frankly bizarre BOP changes from race to race, and you are left with this boring snooze-fest.

This is supposed to be the pinnacle of touring car racing...

Get them on tracks that actually suit touring car racing, sort out the BOP once and for all, and let them go racing.
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