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I think she did ok, as well as anyone with any real knowledge of the series would have expected.
She was on the pace of the back markers, who have all had a lot more time and competitive racing laps in their, albeit vastly inferior, cars. She also brought it home in 2 out of 3 races. She didn’t perform any worse than, Jack Butel (purely an example) did in his first race weekend in an OK car. Yes, the PMR is Astra is a much better can than the shocking efforts from Team Hard et all at the wrong end of the grid, but you can’t expect anyone with no prior BTCC experience to get great results out of any car. If Jason Plato was given that car this weekend, I wouldn’t have bet against him winning a race in it as it’s a car more than capable of winning at Silverstone, especially with the RWD cars severely handicapped, but that’s a totally different scenario! |
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Sorry Greem, that wasn't aimed at you, in fact it was agreeing with you.
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Neate is extremely outclassed and needs outing however he was well and truly in the hole at becketts well up to the door in race one, looked worse as jade didn’t see it coming and turned in, same move with Sutton on Turks and we’d all be praising Sutton.
As for the rest of his day............ let’s retire him from the BTCC and see how he fares in a stock car. Great to see Butcher step out under his own steam |
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To paraphrase James Hunt: "Neate really is completely out of order, he really shouldn't be allowed to drive in British Touring Cars. He's got a mental age of 10 in the first place, and that was an absolutely disgraceful bit of driving for a driver of his experience...the authorities have to crack down on driving like that...he should certainly receive a short suspension, and for being himself, he should receive a permanent suspension."
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Sorry, bit late to the party having just caught up on Race 3.
Big well done to Ollie. Neate is a weapons grade bellend with an anger issue. Didn't have any business being anywhere near a Touring Car anyway, but the last couple of weeks show he's back to his worst behaviour. If Rory needs a spare shell, give him the car Andy tried to maim Jade with this week and fix it up. |
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with my moderators hat on, please can everybody consider the way they’re expressing their disgust at neate’s driving this weekend?
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it’s interesting that folk can dissect the detail of cars and rules but struggle with processing the details of the major obstacles that some people have to overcome to participate in the sport at their desired level. and the privileges he does have - his upbringing, his connections - he uses to amplify his achievements and message. hard to accuse him of sitting back and enjoying his brothers wealth. if he was, don’t you think he’d be knocking at team dynamics and wsr’s doors with a bag full of cash? |
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First of all I am so glad Rory got out of that one alright. The roll was bad enough, but it was worse that he came back onto the track with other cars coming up. The team will have to work all hours to get it out for Croft, wouldn't be surprised if Neate has to step down to give him the car
Neate seems to be dominating a lot of this thread. You'd think after Thruxton he'd try and keep his nose clean, but apparently not. Seemed to get a bit involved with Jade. I'm not going to judge Jade after he first meeting, with time she has every chance to improve Really bad luck for Tingram after looking odds on for that win in R2. Now he needs a mega weekend at Croft if he is to keep his title hopes alive. As does Butcher, fingers crossed he gets back out there By contrast what a recovery by Sutton, shame he got that penalty. Judging by his comments, the others better hope he doesn't finish outside the top 10 before R3 so he doesn't end up with zero ballest when the car is mega. Turkington once again racks up the points and Cammish has a big chance to try and get the title he came close to last year Glad to see Ollie win, especially after what happened to Rory. He was back on the form he showed at Brands after a couple of meetings in midfield and really soaked up that pressure in the final race. Also good to see Moffat giving it a good go. Morgan once again three solid finishes in the Merc. Good to see Jelley up there agin too, shame he threw it all away with that spin in R2. And Boardley was mixing it up there until he had that drive thru in R2 I'm sure everyone is in agreement that it's great to have live onboards back, we've been missing that, especially when there has been incidents that the outside cameras missed |
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Have to say that, as much as critique Silverstone for being a boring circuit, the last race yesterday was absolutely superb, easily one of the best races I have watched this year. Shame that the stewards had to get involved (seems to have been a lot of that yesterday!), but at least Sutton still retains the Championship lead. |
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Though I'm not sure an experienced ex-F1 driver and Indycar race winner in a factory-backed BMW, adapted with the full technical backing of BMW Motorsport is the ideal comparison for the relatively-inexperienced Hamilton in an elderly Team HARD Passat adapted by Tony Gilham's crew...
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Jade is a young racing driver with AFAIK zero experience of an NGTC race car. I thought she did rather well. The comparison with Rob Austin is irrelevant - Rob had many years of experience under his belt including a lot of NGTC - that I am not a Rob Austin fan is irrelevant, what is relevant is he more than held his own in the series for a number of seasons and that he got good results at Thruxton was not totally unexpected (although he dud do better than I thought he might). I would wager the keyboard warriors bemoaning her performance would have have fared no better and probably much worse. Having a penis does not make one a better driver; there are several examples of BTCC drivers current and past with such appendages who are terrible... I hope she has another opportunity in the future to race at this level. |
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28 Sep 2020, 14:37 (Ref:4007193) | #194 | |
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just noticed, Suton got 2 penalties at Silverstone
Race 2: Ash Sutton received a formal written reprimand for gaining an unfair advantage in an incident involving Rory Butcher Race 3: Ash Sutton was penalised by the addition of 0.3 seconds to his race time for gaining an unfair advantage in an incident involving Tom Oliphant does this mean 2 strikes ? possible at the back of the grid at another offense ? |
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I think they made it so track limits don’t count towards a strike, after he got sent to the back of the grid for the same offence at the same circuit in 2017
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I think what people are reacting to re Jade Edwards is the coverage of her appearance. At least, I hope it is, since I think time and effort is much better spent trying to revoke Andy Neate's racing license permanently than ramble on about Jade Edwards being uNwOrThY of a BTCC drive for contrived reasons.
The problem seems to be the media hype, running along nonsensical W Series logic that says that Alice Powell (1 point, GP3 2012, as a rookie) deserves another chance to be funded into F1 whilst Patric Niederhauser (2 wins, GP3 2012, as a rookie) apparently does not (or at least, F1 can continue to ignore him without any 'moral issues'), and this is all because Powell is a woman - the desire for these woman athletes to be worthy of the most elite men when those portrayed as such are clearly not worthy is what grates. It is an outlook that is clearly unfair and unconcerned about meritocracy (i.e. it ignores the entire ethos of sport), and very patronising to the woman concerned (although can make for nice sponsorship opportunities!), the men, and the spectators. I don't see why Jade Edwards doesn't deserve another shot where without ballast and hopefully without Andy Neate ruining her day she can scrap a little higher up, after all as has been pointed out some drivers won't be Ash Sutton's quality, and so long as they aren't actively endangering others (again, Neate, of whom enough can never be spoken until he is outright banned for good) then this doesn't need to be anyone's concern. After all, Ollie Jackson spent a good few seasons squabbling for top 15/20 finishes and now he's a race winner. And I will not edit out that double negative. |
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Yes, exactly Biscuits in a Red Bull. I think its the coverage that riles people up.
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i don't know why it would wind people up. if the tv interviews were anything like the pre-racing interview she gave to itv and louise, she's a real credit to the series.
on another note, i'm watching the sunday coverage for the first time and tim harvey *is* saying cabbage, isn't he... |
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