Are there any differnces between a Porsche carerra cup Porsche and GT3 class Porsche?

SALEEN S7R · 22 Mar 2005, 05:36 (Ref:1258606)

I know I should probably know the answer to this, but I dont know 100%. Can anyone tell me if the cars we see in the Porsche Carerra cup are the same specifcation as those we see in the GT3 class of the British GT championship? The same question regarding the Ferrari 360 challenge cars, are they the same specifcation as the 360s we see in the GT3 class of the British GT championship? Power wise im aware they are pretty much equal, but I was just wondering if theres any differnce chasis wise etc. Thanks in advance.

JAG · 22 Mar 2005, 17:34 (Ref:1259014)

I'm sure some of the cars are raced in the same spec in BGT, but I believe there are a few extra mods that can be made.

The rear wing on the 360's for a start.

TheNewBob · 22 Mar 2005, 19:31 (Ref:1259109)

Apart from the rear wing, those GT3 360's are straight out of Ferrari challenge races, aren't they? I thought that was one of the whole points of the "cup" class, as it was called, upon introduction? do the porsche carerra cup cars have wings? been a long, long time since I saw that series racing

SALEEN S7R · 22 Mar 2005, 20:08 (Ref:1259138)

I think the Carerra cup cars do, yes. I was just wondering if a Porsche carerra is the same chasis, engine etc of the Porsche GT3. Im now guessing its the same car?

TheNewBob · 22 Mar 2005, 20:14 (Ref:1259147)

Well, are Carerra's and the 996 GT3 the same thing? Other than whatever they race in FIA or British GT, I usually take no interest in Porsche's car range. So is a Carerra simply a style/spec of a particular model, or is it a model all of it's own? And what about GT3 and Carerra Cup lap time comparisons?

JAG · 22 Mar 2005, 21:13 (Ref:1259195)

Is the 'Carrera Cup' just a name that has stuck from the past?

The current cars are all GT3's arn't they?

Bramzel · 22 Mar 2005, 21:43 (Ref:1259233)

Yup, Carrera Cup, Supercup and G(T)3 class 911's are all GT3's. For 2005 the Carrera and Supercup will move on to the 997 though if I'm not mistaken.

D.R.T. · 23 Mar 2005, 02:17 (Ref:1259395)

In Australia, we had Carrera Cup spec Porsche's , the Porsche GT3 spec car and the Ferrari 360 Challenge (with the wing package) running together. Just to say the Carerra Cup Cars were way faster.

alfasud · 25 Mar 2005, 06:19 (Ref:1261281)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

In Australia, we had Carrera Cup spec Porsche's , the Porsche GT3 spec car and the Ferrari 360 Challenge (with the wing package) running together. Just to say the Carerra Cup Cars were way faster.

So what would have stopped someone taking one of those Carerra Cup Cars and running them in the aussie Nations Cup (back in 2003 or whenever it was)?

Was this at all tracks?

I know that if you compare 2002 Bathurst 24hrs Nations Cup Porsche GT3 times and the best Carrera Cup times from the support race for the Bathurst 1000 V8 race, the Carerra Cup cars are quite a bit quicker... but there were a number of factors - the Carerra Cup cars were setup for a sprint race, not 24hrs and the rubber build up of the track from the V8's would have helped with grip levels.... so are the times fair to compare?

D.R.T. · 27 Mar 2005, 12:45 (Ref:1262865)

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Originally Posted by alfasud

So what would have stopped someone taking one of those Carerra Cup Cars and running them in the aussie Nations Cup (back in 2003 or whenever it was)?

Was this at all tracks?

This was what happened. The Trophy Class for Aus Nations Cup was open to those vehicles in 2004. At all tracks the Carrera Cup vehicles had the advantage.

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Originally Posted by alfasud

I know that if you compare 2002 Bathurst 24hrs Nations Cup Porsche GT3 times and the best Carrera Cup times from the support race for the Bathurst 1000 V8 race, the Carerra Cup cars are quite a bit quicker

Na your right there is no way at all you can compare these times.

At any track, comparing the ultimate times between a 360 GT or 911 RS to a Carrera Cup vehicle, the 911 and 360 are quicker.

Les · 24 Mar 2005, 22:47 (Ref:1261148)

If I remember correctly apart from wheels the main difference is the suspension. (but I could be talking off the top of my head)

TheNewBob · 25 Mar 2005, 15:56 (Ref:1261578)

Plus would a GT3 be restricted by whatever means, to follow GT rules? A carerra cup, afterall, would be a completely different championship with different rules

Fiorentina 1 · 26 Mar 2005, 20:13 (Ref:1262498)

For Grand-Am GT or last year's SGS spec the Cup car is converted by adding a fuel cell and changing the hubs to make them with 5 studs instead of center locks. Those are the main changes. You can also add different shocks and exhaust then the factory carerra cup cars. Some people run the stock exhaust and stock shocks. This year's Grand-Am rules allow changes to the cup car suspension, by allowing them to be changed to RS specs.

chainbolt · 5 Jan 2008, 03:01 (Ref:2099690)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

I know I should probably know the answer to this, but I dont know 100%. Can anyone tell me if the cars we see in the Porsche Carerra cup are the same specifcation as those we see in the GT3 class of the British GT championship?

Much different cars.The GT3 Cup is mainly used for the Carrera Cups worldwide. In GT championships the GT3 RSR is used. That's a much more powerful car (and cost more than twice than the GT3 Cup). The RSR has 485 hps and weights around 1100 kg, the GT3 Cup (2008) has 420 hps and weights around 1250 kg. The breaking system is different as well.

Tone · 5 Jan 2008, 03:21 (Ref:2099697)

The original poster said GT3 and the RSR is a GT2

SALEEN S7R · 5 Jan 2008, 03:37 (Ref:2099702)

Indeed, thank you for noticing Tone.

Kai · 5 Jan 2008, 06:26 (Ref:2099744)

Either way this thread is like 2 years old...

911 GT1 · 5 Jan 2008, 10:06 (Ref:2099816)

There was a difference between a standad Cup car and an updated GT3 997 in 2007. You could buy a kit at Weissach which contained in its expensive form a higher rear wing, wider wheels and a bit more engine horse power. For 2008 you can buy a real GT3 car at Porsche. Here is a link to a (german) story about the model:
http://www.projectlemans.de/content/view/3831/172/

littleman · 5 Jan 2008, 12:37 (Ref:2100066)

The GT3 and Carrera Cup car are the same animal and only vary depending on what championship they contest.

1: In one make Carrera Cup national races they use Michelin tyres and steel brakes.

2: In the Porsche SuperCup they use the same Michelin tyres but also ceramic brakes.

3: In open make GT3 races they use steel brakes and whatever the spec tyre is for that championship. e.g. Avons in BGT which are about 2 secs a lap slower than the Michelins.

The RSR model as used in the LMS/ALMS looks similar but runs to GT2 regs and is a totally different animal.

Tone · 6 Feb 2008, 21:06 (Ref:2122766)

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Originally Posted by littleman

The GT3 and Carrera Cup car are the same animal and only vary depending on what championship they contest.

1: In one make Carrera Cup national races they use Michelin tyres and steel brakes.

2: In the Porsche SuperCup they use the same Michelin tyres but also ceramic brakes.

3: In open make GT3 races they use steel brakes and whatever the spec tyre is for that championship. e.g. Avons in BGT which are about 2 secs a lap slower than the Michelins.

In open races they also have a lot more freedom setting up the car thats not allowed in cup championships.. suspension, wing settings, gears ratios, clearance etc..

gwyllion · 6 Feb 2008, 10:28 (Ref:2122307)

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Originally Posted by 911 GT1

For 2008 you can buy a real GT3 car at Porsche. Here is a link to a (german) story about the model:
http://www.projectlemans.de/content/view/3831/172/

Some pictures of the 911 GT3 Cup S: http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws.php?id=8219

This is the dedicated version for the GT3 championship. Engine is 3.6 liter with 440 bhp and 430 Nm, weigth is 1170 kg and price is 250.000 euro.

It is a bit wider than the GT3 Cup: http://www.porsche.com/usa/eventsand...911gt3cup-997/

cmk · 6 Feb 2008, 15:17 (Ref:2122502)

The new GT3-spec 997 looks great. That said, it sure continues the trend of GT3 cars which look more and more like GT2s, or even GT2++. The Ferrari, the Lambo with its massive GT1 wing, the Aston running GT1 kit front and rear, etc. I'm not sure how I feel about that!

PorscheFanNo1 · 6 Feb 2008, 16:12 (Ref:2122541)

The Cup S indeed got a more agressive look, but still nowhere near the RSR.

So Porsche is now building the upgraded 08 version of the GT3 Cup (420hp) for the Supercup (around 20 cars) and for some Carrera Cups (10 to Sweden, Australia has already got a few and the German and British serie will get a few too, 10 each I belive).
They are then building the Cup S (440hp) for FIA-GT3 and national series, will be deliverd in April, some 10 cars or more?
And then the 08 version of the RSR EVO, like 10-15 cars there too?
Now thats 3 new models and a crapload of cars that needs to be built and deliverd in April at latest. Add to that the RS Spyders and the they have some serious overtime to do.

Dauer 962 · 6 Feb 2008, 16:42 (Ref:2122563)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

So Porsche is now building the upgraded 08 version of the GT3 Cup (420hp) for the Supercup (around 20 cars) and for some Carrera Cups (10 to Sweden, Australia has already got a few and the German and British serie will get a few too, 10 each I belive).
They are then building the Cup S (440hp) for FIA-GT3 and national series, will be deliverd in April, some 10 cars or more?
And then the 08 version of the RSR EVO, like 10-15 cars there too?
Now thats 3 new models and a crapload of cars that needs to be built and deliverd in April at latest. Add to that the RS Spyders and the they have some serious overtime to do.

Porsche builds this season around 260 GT3 Cups cars for the national Cups and the Supercup. Production started in autumn last year, the ones for Australian Carrera Cup for example have been shipped in early December.

The RSR´s are currently under construction, first customers expect their cars within the next week. Porsche plans about 35 `08 spec cars. Most of the customers Spyder´s were already built in November and early December.

But production of the GT3 Cup race cars and the RSR / RS Spyders take place in different units. So they will have some overtime, but not as much as you would think.

PorscheFanNo1 · 6 Feb 2008, 17:00 (Ref:2122577)

Cool, thanks a lot for the info! Please feel free to share this kind of information more often even tho no one directly asks for it!

35 '08 RSRs, where will all those go? Thats a few more then I expected really.

Now unpatiently waiting for the first photos of the car!