The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga

[tyronnezx]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Can someone explain to me why there is an argument about brake suppliers? I read back over the past few pages of posts and I can't really see anything controversial going on here.

Richard

Originally Posted by gwyllion

tyronnezx noticed that Advics, which produces brake systems, is a sponsor of Toyota. I pointed out that Toyota is using Brembo brakes. Next tyronnezx suggested that Toyota might have changed supplier, which makes no sense whatsoever for me. This lead to the useless argument about Brembo vs AP etc.

Originally Posted by Coopz21 x

Its only brakes lads no need to get at each other about it

Originally Posted by The Badger

This led to the fact that Toyota owe no allegiance to any brake supplier . If a contract is the issue , it can be bought out . If the item doesnt come up to scratch it can be a possible clause for cancelation .

Others feel that once a contract is signed , thats it , end of story .

Im pointing out the whole reason for testing is to see what works and what does not before race day .....

Again I ask ..... what is the reason for testing ? And its not pick and mix . A reasonable question deserves a reasonable answer , does it not ?

Jesus! i never meant for the whole brake to get this much out of hand but shows how people here love making something out of nothing. the only reason that i bought up tyhe brake issue was because i have seen only sponsorship for advics and not brembo on the toyota page. which is odd because i knew brembo was there but after the ts030 crashed there was nothing to indicate that they still were until the second ts030's picture turned up. my only worry from all of this is the lack of selection for the program of European suppliers versus Japanese suppliers which are relatively unknown to endurance racing.. no need to blow each others heads off over a simple question

[TF110]

Just do a little internet research, tyro . The company you speak of is apart of the Aisin group which is owned by Toyota. Like I said, they have sponsorship from Hino trucks and Daihatsu motors. They are Toyota owned groups (maybe they supply the crew vehicles?).

Anyway, the guy kneeling to the right with the white Toyota jacket on is Pascal Vasselon it looks like. Another thing I noticed about the new aero besides the odd shaped hole in the rear fender, is the slot-hole behind the front wheel, Audi use this as well. The rear wing does look lower. You can tell by how much 'fin' there is between the top and the connection of the swan neck to the wing.

EDIT-And as for what you said CTD, I said that the team may have had this car being built up before the other car crashed. They were/are going with 2 cars at LeMans, so it's reasonable to think.

[tyronnezx]

Originally Posted by TF110

Just do a little internet research, tyro . The company you speak of is apart of the Aisin group which is owned by Toyota. Like I said, they have sponsorship from Hino trucks and Daihatsu motors. They are Toyota owned groups (maybe they supply the crew vehicles?).

Anyway, the guy kneeling to the right with the white Toyota jacket on is Pascal Vasselon it looks like. Another thing I noticed about the new aero besides the odd shaped hole in the rear fender, is the slot-hole behind the front wheel, Audi use this as well. The rear wing does look lower. You can tell by how much 'fin' there is between the top and the connection of the swan neck to the wing.

i was being lazy hahah. thought there will be some constructive answer to it (Not that there weren't any) but look how far that went....

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by CTD

I don't think the rear wing is actually lower, however the paint scheme is changed a bit, so it appears so.

otherwise they have lowered the roof air intake, and with that a lower Fin and wing

Fin height is effectively fixed (...between 1020 mm and 1030 mm above the reference plane).

[chernaudi]

The whole side pod looks like it's been inspired by the Audi R18 as it's been run since the Sebring test. It even has the same basic shape behind the pontoon extension. Other than that, it largely looks the same as the old TS030 as shown earlier this year. And it seems that the front of the endplate fins are attached to the rear deck/engine cover.

No shot from the front, though, as that's probably what they want to keep secret for now, at least as far as how it looks like the R18 and how it will be similar and different to that approach.

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

The whole side pod looks like it's been inspired by the Audi R18 as it's been run since the Sebring test. It even has the same basic shape behind the pontoon extension. Other than that, it largely looks the same as the old TS030 as shown earlier this year. And it seems that the front of the endplate fins are attached to the rear deck/engine cover.

No shot from the front, though, as that's probably what they want to keep secret for now, at least as far as how it looks like the R18 and how it will be similar and different to that approach.

The LE endplate extensions have always been attached to the engine cover:

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/Toyot...dLMP1-RCE6.jpg

"Article 3.6.3 of the regulations specifies the minimum area of the endplates (1000 cm²) but also that, "The part fitted on the rear wing must fit into a rectangle of 765 mm x 300 mm." Thus the split in the design as the section that fits to the wing will slide through the template and the leading edge extension that is fixed to the engine cover allows a larger overall endplate."

1.24.12: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsjan12.html

[pdxracefan]

Originally Posted by tyronnezx

Jesus! i never meant for the whole brake to get this much out of hand but shows how people here love making something out of nothing. the only reason that i bought up tyhe brake issue was because i have seen only sponsorship for advics and not brembo on the toyota page. which is odd because i knew brembo was there but after the ts030 crashed there was nothing to indicate that they still were until the second ts030's picture turned up. my only worry from all of this is the lack of selection for the program of European suppliers versus Japanese suppliers which are relatively unknown to endurance racing.. no need to blow each others heads off over a simple question

Jeez, I am getting a real bad headache.

[tyronnezx]

Originally Posted by pdxracefan

Jeez, I am getting a real bad headache.

well i heard any pain relief with paracetemol can fix that

[TF110]

Looks like the separate endplates have risen to the top of the rearwing endplates and are curved now. Also the mirror position is closer to the cockpit instead of being on the edge of the car.

[gwyllion]

Mike lists the noticeable changes on http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmay12.html

[Try Hard]

Originally Posted by Coopz21 x

I think its the angle of the piture because the back of the wing flicks up doesnt it

Actually, I think Gwyllion is right... looking at the rear wing on the inside of the rear endplates in both pic's, there is notably more endplate above the "new aero" wing than in the old aero... and that removes the flick of the wing from the observation. Plus the adjuster is lower in the end plate.

[TF110]

It's easy to see if you look at the amount of 'bodywork' on the swan neck mount on the new aero compared to the launch car.

[The Badger]

Im not surprised at all about all these mods . The first car was probably only a development hack , and maybe wouldnt ever have seen Le mans , excapt as a spare .

[tyronnezx]

Treat ya self to this Lads and Lasses!!!!!


new look of the TS030 just in!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...e=1&permPage=1

[Coopz21 x]

Originally Posted by tyronnezx

Treat ya self to this Lads and Lasses!!!!!


new look of the TS030 just in!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...e=1&permPage=1

Don't see no reason why they cant race tbh...

[gwyllion]

More pictures on http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...4417650&type=3

So they went from a 908 style nose to a more R18 like nose. The hole in the rear fender for the brake cooling is also directly copied from Audi.

The front fenders appear to be inspired by the ARX-03a and the old Lister LMP900.

[tyronnezx]

Originally Posted by Coopz21 x

Don't see no reason why they cant race tbh...

that car, had'nt even had a shake down. highly doubt that toyota will race something thats unproven against audi. interesting how they turned up here tho. are they allowed to test?

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by tyronnezx

that car, had'nt even had a shake down. highly doubt that toyota will race something thats unproven against audi. interesting how they turned up here tho. are they allowed to test?

No, they just stopped in Spa on their way to Magny Cours for this photo shoot. They will test tomorrow at Magny Cours together with DeltaWing.

According to http://twitter.com/#!/Toyota_Hybrid/...32841521266688 those pictures were taken yesterday.

[lms]

not really good looking.... I guess this is the r18-like aero Mike Fuller was talking about. headlights should be a bit bigger

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by tyronnezx

Treat ya self to this Lads and Lasses!!!!!


new look of the TS030 just in!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...e=1&permPage=1

For some reason, the nose kinda resembles F1... Still, I hope they could pull an upset against Audi. The LMP1 class' future is in their hands!

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by lms

not really good looking.... I guess this is the r18-like aero Mike Fuller was talking about.

I also preferred the previous nose, which was less complex. At least we still have the beautiful Dome S102.5.

I also wonder whether the flap at the inside of the fenders are legal. Peugeot questioned the legality of similar flaps on the Audi R15. Maybe they are allowed on the Toyota because they have a "non wing" profile.

[Simmi]

It looks like a completely different car!

Agree with the Lister comparisons at the front.

[TF110]

That looks good to me. I like they're holes in front of the suspension, wonder what gain they give. The whole front end is different. The nose looks to be the same position but with F1 style mounts, almost like the 908. That hole in the rear fender is reshaped. Maybe it resembles the Audi's, but the holes on the top of the front fenders are definitely different from all lmp's weve seen so far.

[FstrthnU]

The big thing I notice is the lights. Going with a stacked set of 3 instead of a triangular configuration

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by TF110

I like they're holes in front of the suspension, wonder what gain they give.

Brake cooling?

Originally Posted by TF110

Maybe it resembles the Audi's, but the holes on the top of the front fenders are definitely different from all lmp's weve seen so far.

It is just a simple square hole in the fender. Hardly anything special.