Results of todays FIA meeting - Page 2

Glen · 28 Oct 2002, 17:04 (Ref:415629)

Can anyone be bothered to re-calculate the 2002 season under the new points system? Would be interesting to see if we think it would have altered the feeling for the fans.

And, yes, I know that the feeling for the fans is as much to do with team orders as anything - but I'm interested in this points idea. I think it makes lots of difference to the teams (more rewards at the end of the season) but not much to the average fan.

Glen · 28 Oct 2002, 17:11 (Ref:415634)

Nicked this off the Planet-F1 board:

Quote:

I just did a quick check using the new points system and here is how everything would have finished this year.

MS - 156
RB - 93
JPM - 74
RS - 63
DC - 63
KR - 36
JB - 31
NH - 22
GF - 20
JT - 19
EI - 16
FM - 15
JV - 14
MSalo - 10
OP - 8
HHF - 6
TS - 5
MW - 5
AM - 3
AY - 2
PdlR - 2
EB - 0

Instead of Michael winning the championship by 67pts it would have only been 63. The top 7 places don't change order, but the rest of the list does when compared to the final results.

ParkLife · 28 Oct 2002, 17:13 (Ref:415635)

The new points sytem gives the teams a real reason to keep running with a sick car, rather than just parking it in the garage. And of course I don't mean a car that's so sick it's 20 seconds a lap slower. I don't like it though. They should keep the structure of the sport the same but changed the cars and tracks IMO.

AndyF · 28 Oct 2002, 17:16 (Ref:415641)

I just did a quick check using the new points system and here is how everything would have finished this year.

MS - 156
RB - 93
JPM - 74
RS - 63
DC - 63
KR - 36
JB - 31
NH - 22
GF - 20
JT - 19
EI - 16
FM - 15
JV - 14
MSalo - 10
OP - 8
HHF - 6
TS - 5
MW - 5
AM - 3
AY - 2
PdlR - 2
EB - 0

Instead of Michael winning the championship by 67pts it would have only been 63. The top 7 places don't change order, but the rest of the list does when compared to the final results.

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I don't like that - Alex Yoong has two points!!!

Might mean teams focus a little more on reliability.

kdr · 28 Oct 2002, 17:31 (Ref:415653)

at least its narrowed the winning margin down...

**Adam43** · 28 Oct 2002, 17:49 (Ref:415671)

We are losing teams so they decide to increase the number of positions that score points...

**Adam43** · 28 Oct 2002, 17:58 (Ref:415681)

F1 next year sounds so exciting. So much better than this year

And they are removing Spa and the best corner at Suzuka. Bring on the changes. They are really improving our Sport. aaaaarrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!

and they appear to not even want to discuss the the current levels of downforce and the problems of closely follwing the car in front or even possibly banning driver aids.

However they have changed the most exciting part of the race weekend -Qualifying!

Well done Max etc...

EERO · 28 Oct 2002, 18:02 (Ref:415690)

An asinine set of decisions. I'm with Craig, a long term set of serious revisions needed to have been made.

All in alll, despite the General Clamour for change, they've side-stepped the issue.

Its like giving an Antacid to a man whose just had an arm ripped off.

**Adam43** · 28 Oct 2002, 18:06 (Ref:415694)

Quote:

Originally posted by EERO
All in all, despite the General Clamour for change, they've side-stepped the issue.

Spot on.

bastinscully · 28 Oct 2002, 18:27 (Ref:415715)

Is the One Engine per weekend rule coming in?

Sato san · 28 Oct 2002, 18:44 (Ref:415729)

i think the points idea is a great result !.....

i just wished they had addressed the areo rules !

Kex · 28 Oct 2002, 18:59 (Ref:415738)

The points idea is OK....but it's all a bit half-hearted really. They needed to get much more radical this time.

It's like the time they decided to add an extra groove to the tyres, thinking that it would make a lot of difference....yeah right!

Sato san · 28 Oct 2002, 19:07 (Ref:415746)

i agree....they do seem to live in Cuckoo land sometimes .

DSM · 28 Oct 2002, 19:11 (Ref:415751)

The points idea is pointless! If they want to get more cash to the lower teams give them it for starting or finishing or anything. All they've done is made it less important to actually win!
Bikes for me on Sunday next year!!

rdjones · 28 Oct 2002, 19:14 (Ref:415755)

Not sure what to think - I like the ideas for qualifying, but as for the rest, utter rubbish, personal I would have like to see wight being added to the cars - at the of the day it works in the BTCC and give some fantastic racing.

Lee Janotta · 28 Oct 2002, 19:15 (Ref:415756)

Won't make one damn bit of difference, except that now there'll be little point in watching qualifying for anyone.

Guess what? I'm not watching F1 again until they make some drastic changes to the technical package, bring back Spa, and inject some balls into the rest of the schedule.

Yoong Montoya · 28 Oct 2002, 19:20 (Ref:415759)

The change to the points system was an OK idea I thought. Even though it may be great at the time when backmarkers like Webber and Sato (well, he was a backmarker this season until Suzuka) finish in the points, I can't really agree with a points system that rewards a one off effort. If Webber had broken down in Melboune, Yoong would have finished in the points instead!!

ASCII Man · 28 Oct 2002, 19:23 (Ref:415764)

The whole concept of grooved tyres didn't work, cause in the first qualifying of the first 1998 season race, the poletime wasn't much slower than in 1997...
Extra groove? When was that then?

Fogelhund · 28 Oct 2002, 19:26 (Ref:415767)

There will also be qualifying sessions on Friday and Saturday, instead of just one on Saturday. Qualifying will involve one ``flying lap'' for each car, with cars running one at a time.

Friday's times will determine the order for Saturday's session, with the fastest car going last. The starting grid for Sunday's races will be based on Saturday's times.

This certainly will yield some interesting results in situations where there is mixed weather. What happens when the first half of the field has nice weather, and then it starts raining... or the other way around.

Sodemo · 28 Oct 2002, 19:39 (Ref:415777)

I say the order of qualifying should be dictated by playing spin the bottle.

**Asp** · 28 Oct 2002, 19:51 (Ref:415783)

Qualifying
I hate to say I told you so, but....
I've been begging for Superpole for years, have had a letter published in F1 Racing over 12 months ago, and I'm over the moon that they've eventually gone to it - it'll completely spice up the rest of the weekend

Points
Well, this has been my 2nd pet hate, top 10 would be nicer, but beggers can't be choosers...

Spa
No comment - at least nothing not obscene.

Team Orders
the FIA love Grey areas don't they? Does this mean that the age-old "Hold Position" will be outlawed, or just the "It's not your turn to win, move over."?

Tyres
A lot of money, but fairer, so it can only be good - at least for the minute. I assume the tyre companies will foot the bill? if so, it's even better

I'm going to add - how long ago was it the points were closer (9 not 10), when we had 2 day qualifying.... Are we going back in time to the good old days?

Sato san · 28 Oct 2002, 20:07 (Ref:415801)

the points system has got to help.....it gives the drivers more to aim at ........

but the FIA have missed a golden chance to really shake up the rules that matter....

alchemy · 28 Oct 2002, 20:16 (Ref:415812)

Please forgive me if I’m missing something here. But what effect will any of these so called ‘radical’ rule changes have as regards to producing better racing i.e overtaking?

Its yet another wasted chance. The fact that Ferrari dominated in 2002 wasn’t just the issue, it was the way their two drivers monkey’d around that peed us off. This along with the processional proceedings behind just topped it off.

What is there in the rules to stop Ferrari from taking the

again in 2003? How the

do you police something such as team orders?

**Adam43** · 28 Oct 2002, 20:25 (Ref:415820)

Quote:

Sato san
the points system has got to help.....it gives the drivers more to aim at ........

Not if you're in second. Only 2 extra points now.

I'm for the points change, but it seems almost pointless (sorry

) now that we have so few teams.

Quote:

Sato san
but the FIA have missed a golden chance to really shake up the rules that matter....

True. There was a slight problem in that technical rules take longer to change (and it's too late for next year), whereas sporting regs can be changed.

BUT this meeting should have been about rule changes that would actually change something even if it were for 2004.

Wasted opportunity.

spanner · 28 Oct 2002, 20:26 (Ref:415821)

There is an other point that people seem to have missed. I read on Crash.net that there could be a ban on testing. If they will limit themselves to 10 days a year then they are allowed to test on the friday of the race weekend.

hmm.. cant see any team agreeing to this

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