LM24 LM 2012 - The 'Garage 56' Discussion...

gustavobamba · 9 Jun 2011, 14:57 (Ref:2894363)

Today announced three new cars, (ACO Sporting Committee decided to create the garage #56 to promote new technologies), that will race next year.

1 -Delta Wing LMP
2 - GreenGT LMP H2
3 -Courage Ø.12 LMP

More news in:
http://www.lemanslive.com/24h-mans/2...ss-conference/

Look at the video to see the 3 car´s

Pandamasque · 9 Jun 2011, 15:21 (Ref:2894384)

3 cars to take 1 garage/grid spot?

deggis · 9 Jun 2011, 15:29 (Ref:2894393)

I don't understand that either. Unless it's still an open competition between the three entries.

tkelland · 9 Jun 2011, 15:39 (Ref:2894400)

That is the order of selection for the 56th grid spot. In case the lead car cannot make the race, the other two are reserves. Similar to that of the actual entry list.

arakis · 9 Jun 2011, 15:50 (Ref:2894413)

what happend to porsch 918 RSR

**skycafe** · 9 Jun 2011, 16:04 (Ref:2894423)

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Originally Posted by arakis

what happend to porsch 918 RSR

I am with you on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, the Green and the Courage interest me, who has info on either?

robert

Fogelhund · 10 Jun 2011, 01:42 (Ref:2894868)

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Originally Posted by arakis

what happend to porsch 918 RSR

+1... far more interesting than the DWP.

deggis · 9 Jun 2011, 16:05 (Ref:2894427)

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Originally Posted by tkelland

That is the order of selection for the 56th grid spot. In case the lead car cannot make the race, the other two are reserves. Similar to that of the actual entry list.

Are you sure?

**joeb** · 9 Jun 2011, 17:09 (Ref:2894480)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Are you sure?

Here is a quote from the press release:

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“56th Garage” which will be set aside at next year’s race for cars featuring alternative technologies.

Notice cars was written not car.

**Dani Filth** · 10 Jun 2011, 17:38 (Ref:2895271)

2nd weekend in June .. unless force majeure

The Badger · 11 Jun 2011, 08:48 (Ref:2895507)

Its a 2 seat F1 car on steroids !!!

Horrible .

ujoint · 13 Jun 2011, 00:41 (Ref:2897671)

Is this for real? Tired of messing around. 2012 might be the year?

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karting · 13 Jun 2011, 00:50 (Ref:2897677)

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Originally Posted by ujoint

Is this for real? Tired of messing around.

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i wish, oh how i wish. That picture is however a photoshop, you can tell by the wheels

ujoint · 13 Jun 2011, 01:16 (Ref:2897689)

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Originally Posted by karting

i wish, oh how i wish. That picture is however a photoshop, you can tell by the wheels

It looks real to me. You may be right on the photoshop though as nothing could possibly look that cool from damn near anybody. I am not sure where I found that photo exactly. It showed up on the web sometime last winter (jan 2011) if I remember correctly. There is no mention of this as a LM car in Ferrari land. Rumors are rumors. Right?

AGD · 14 Jun 2011, 09:34 (Ref:2898652)

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before as we have a lot of threads on the topic, but there are some new photos of the GreenGT LMPH2 that I have not seen before. Also, there are videos of Christian Pescatori (former Audi driver) testing the test car at Pau and at Le Mans. It's pretty interesting.

It's a great looking concept car, I'm not sure what the final product will look like though. What do you guys think about the sound the thing makes?

Does anyone want to put a stopwatch to see how fast this thing goes down the Mulsanne as compared to current LMP2s and GTEs?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11106133...24-hours-of-le

chewymonster · 18 Jun 2011, 01:56 (Ref:2901216)

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Originally Posted by AGD

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before as we have a lot of threads on the topic, but there are some new photos of the GreenGT LMPH2 that I have not seen before. Also, there are videos of Christian Pescatori (former Audi driver) testing the test car at Pau and at Le Mans. It's pretty interesting.

It's a great looking concept car, I'm not sure what the final product will look like though. What do you guys think about the sound the thing makes?

Does anyone want to put a stopwatch to see how fast this thing goes down the Mulsanne as compared to current LMP2s and GTEs?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11106133...24-hours-of-le

So over 5 minutes pit-out to pit-in, what would that be for a full lap? That's too slow to compete but I was surprised to see it running a real lap. The good thing is that it should have some decent range as 12 kg of hydrogen has the energy of 12 gallons of gas. I suppose the ACO expects the Deltawing to be quicker and that's why they picked it. The artlicle makes it sound as if the GreenGT is guaranteed to race next year but isn't it just a back up?

**skycafe** · 14 Jun 2011, 11:50 (Ref:2898762)

Thanks, I had seen that, I guess the Lemans lap was just added (??). I saw the prior video at Pau. It is impressive. It is also 'early days.'

I have been unlucky at finding info on Courage, and I swear I remember an announcement a year or so ago that Courage was working on something like that.

Down F0rce · 14 Jun 2011, 12:04 (Ref:2898778)

Let all three of them in! We can live without one F430 and one 911.

TRuss · 15 Jun 2011, 02:05 (Ref:2899170)

The Ferrari images are definitely photoshops. I saw them on another site close to a year ago where it was said that they were created by a young designer. Complete fantasy, but great looking.

As for the car chosen I don't get it. There are two other cars that are truly pushing the boundaries of alternative fuels and propulsion and they choose something that is so weirdly shaped that even the idiots that run Indy could see that it was a bad idea. I'm hoping for change as much as anybody but I'm not so desperate that I want Ace and Gary's penis car http://http://www.ridelust.com/wp-co...nis_mobile.jpgfrom "The Ambiguously Gay Duo" cartoons trying to get around LeMans. I don't understand how a strangely shaped car is helpful to the automobiles future.

AGD · 15 Jun 2011, 02:30 (Ref:2899176)

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Originally Posted by TRuss

As for the car chosen I don't get it. There are two other cars that are truly pushing the boundaries of alternative fuels and propulsion and they choose something that is so weirdly shaped that even the idiots that run Indy could see that it was a bad idea. I'm hoping for change as much as anybody but I'm not so desperate that I want Ace and Gary's penis car from "The Ambiguously Gay Duo" cartoons trying to get around LeMans. I don't understand how a strangely shaped car is helpful to the automobiles future.

Agree, I'm not sure what the point is. There are a lot of other ways to design a lightweight LMP car. I don't know why they have to go for such a strange shape. Maybe your image was the comedic skit that inspired the Deltawing. Well, either that or it was this comedy sketch (hilarious, but probably not safe for work).

vincegail · 15 Jun 2011, 15:25 (Ref:2899552)

If I remember correctly, the plaque next to the GreenGT in the Le Mans to the future stand read: 2 motors of 300 kW each = 600 kW. Battery capacity = 120 kWh. That means it can run for 120/600 hours on full power. That means every 12 minutes they need a recharge/battery change. No matter how good the KERS-system they use is, it will be rather pathetic to watch. Or not to watch, because they will be in the pits more than anything else!

vincegail · 15 Jun 2011, 15:27 (Ref:2899555)

Or maybe 2 motors with a total of 300 kW. Which will be much better for the time they can do between pitstops.

I think my information/memory don't serve me right. Sorry if I a talk a lot of rubbish!

Simmi · 15 Jun 2011, 16:47 (Ref:2899614)

I've stayed out of this until now. I'm intrigued to see the DW and whether it will work or not. It is NOT the way back in for Highcroft that I had hoped although like others have alluded to, if it garners enough corporate interest they could use it as a springboard. I await the engine supplier with great interest.

Secondly I'm trying to look at the bigger picture. The 56th pit is a something that sets Le Mans apart and I think the choice of this car is really a kind of statement of intent from the ACO as to the possibilities they are willing to embrace. The boundaries should be pushed. Maybe this is not the most appealing solution but then again this is not the only year the 56th pit will be implemented. It is a long-term idea routed in the history of the sport. 10 years from now just think what kind of concepts we could have witnessed. Some groundbreaking, others complete failures.

Seeing which car falls into which bracket will add another dimension to an already great race.

nobster · 15 Jun 2011, 17:14 (Ref:2899634)

Maybe the Delta wing car is the shape of things to come, personally I do not hope so, I really don't like the look of the car and am curious with such a small front end if this will work.
Every time I see this shape I think it belongs to the Bonneville speed week ( if that still exists... )

TRuss · 16 Jun 2011, 15:58 (Ref:2900337)

Yeah, they're still running at Bonneville. I agree that the front end is more akin to a land speed car than a road racer.

I'm glad that LeMans is progressive enough to allow one car a year to be completely different. This is more than anyone else is willing to do. Ideally I'd like to see that freedom given to the LMP1 class and I am hoping that in 2014 that we will see that.

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